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this is arun from
i am a software engineer who mostly work
node.js php and other backend
and i’m an open source contributor as
i’m a tantric by birth in a family which
is passing tantric wisdom from
generations to generations
from past years of legacy
and got lucky to travel across india and
got chances to study
under various gurus from different
and disciplines you could connect with
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to design a divine lifestyle which is
based on
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system of
hi today’s podcast i am joining again
with ben from
and at this particular podcast we are
discussing about decentralized
internet with decentralized economy and
the coming project
open pino with
welcome to the podcast decentralized
internet with the decentralized economy
so basically like
what to say that um
i see the thing is like
why what i’m trying to build is like you
um the ipfs node where
it could be incentivized for the
creators or the
or the people who are hosting this ipfs
in such a way that whoever is hosting
particular content into that particular
node in
so basically the file coin is trying to
give that
incentive that uh proof of space
uh with uh some kind of file coin kind
of thing
uh so here what i’m trying to do is like
where i’m actually seeing like you know
where um cardano’s uh smart contract
uh which is having a very good secure
and the charles was concerned uh
basically i would like to say that
these two peoples are into a war like
the stats of kinsen and the battalion
is actually basically into a war like
this guy is build uh one
smart contract i mean sorry a blockchain
actually uh people can host stuff into
and it will um actually give some
uh i mean uh using the ethereum people’s
actually uh keep that data into that
ethereum blockchain
and uh however the somehow the
uh charles hawkinson and i could do
and he went ahead and uh trying to build
something which is uh
gonna economic which is going to make
uh ethereum blockchain obsolete
um so uh however
whatever he’s trying to build on the top
of uh
the ethereum blockchain probably could
have been
actually you know could be actually
solved by
um ipfs like
usb can already know that like
it is easy to host stuff into a pfs
node and but basically they are lacking
uh some kind of incentivizing system
which is actually uh needed for any kind
business to sustain uh in a long time
like in that sense uh
um i’m trying to there is i can see
there is a gap
uh which is actually uh people’s who
is willing to host this ipa first node
their own uh infrastructure whether it
could be a raspberry pi
or it could be a hobbest computer or
but there is uh if they want to scale
that particular
uh thing which is happening in their
site they need
uh some kind of insignification system
to sustain this particular model of
so i’m trying to put a kind of
uh um a mining thing which could
mine the user or they will be
uh paying uh the usage of the
internet in uh using some kind of smart
contract or
something like that and whoever is
the stakeholders
on this particular network will be get
you know get a stack of or get uh
get a share of what is happening on this
blockchain so this is something which
i’m trying to
build with the uh this particular
product which i’m trying to build and
it is basically like there will be a
front end which is actually like a not
just api
with uh which is communicating with
their react.js friend
and that thing which is actually helping
to host the
uh um the code into ipf first node and
the search which is been associated with
this particular stuff and
uh basically serving the file uh to
whoever is on this particular network
and whoever want to
watch this uh or uh who want to see the
content which is
actually uncensored
and which is actually supporting the
distributed economy i would like to say
it’s a distributed economy with a
distributed internet
that is something which i’m trying to
see or uh trying to
do uh actually like um
uh yeah in the security aspect there is
something which is like
uh you know there is uh a very good
stuff is
existing in uh uh um you know
uh the uh iuhk foundation’s
blockchain and you know um
so that is also i have gone through a
bit of haskell programming i was
actually not
familiar with the haskell programming uh
and writing the uh blockchains by my own
thing i mean uh haskell programming is
very new to me
and whereas the solidity uh which is
which actually looks like the
uh bit of javascript so it’s solidity
comes very easily to handy to me like
i could actually build the stuff on that
and so
right now what i have implemented there
people can actually put their stuff into
uh one ipfs node and
this node and the important thing is
uh in ipfs system all the servers don’t
need to be
uh available in into seven that is
one of the
uh to deliver the file into into
seven so the uptime
anyway going to be into seven even
though the machines are not
uh are not up into seven so somehow
main net is always uh upon living
so this is something which i can see in
ipfs node and
if there is an incentification system
which will actually help people who are
hosting this particular server or the
particular node into
their own infrastructure so that could
be something really great
so this is something i’m trying to build
yeah um so what do you how do you see
about this what what
what is that well i uh
i’m in love with everything that you
said and i followed everything you said
and so if um if the intention of this
of this recording that we’re doing is
that uh you know
you i mean my my intention would be
um actually we should share intentions
first how about you know you i think
that was a great introduction
and i’m pleased to be a friend of yours
a you know to some degree a a peer
although i’m far far less skilled with
programming languages i i do feel like i
have um
quite a bit of experience in what what
you could call tech
startups where you know there’s a lot of
different people with a lot of different
skills that make up
a a tech startup successful and
everybody plays a different role so you
so in this case i’m you’re the more
you’re more of a skilled
developer and coder and like full stack
and for me for anyone listening i would
consider myself
a web designer meaning
the designer of a of a home or designer
of a garden they may not do all of the
technical work they may just
subcontract or partner with or you know
out or or what there’s various ways that
a designer would
would understanding the component pieces
um help let’s say a client you know
solve a problem or solve a problem let’s
say for
we’re talking about distributed
file storage resilient i’m going to call
it data resilience
um you know for my own um purposes but
yeah we’re we’re have different skills
we have different
passions different backgrounds with
tools and uh but we but we see a need to
to solve a problem and we see a
potential to
um to create value and revenue and
create sustainable
um profitable ongoing
protocols and then to do that open
source and leverage the
the value of all of the malicious
hackers in the world
the net benefit of them attacking your
system constantly so that you can see
what you did wrong
in real time and patch it quick and so
you know uh open source invites all
kinds of attacks
and it’s a net benefit to to be to be
building that immune system based on on
that on that
on those attacks and it’s also a net
benefit to have the the white hat
hackers and the benevolent
contributors to code uh and code
development for them to do pull requests
and bug fixes and even bug bounties
and there can be an ecosystem around
creating a healthy
living ongoing evolving software project
so um that’s i just put that background
out there because whoever does
listen to this if this is not something
that they’re
that they’re passionate about already i
i think it’s important to learn about it
and to become passionate about it
if you don’t become passionate about
what what arun’s talking about what i’m
talking about
then you’re basically at the mercy of
what i’m calling the
data industrial complex and they don’t
always have your best interests in mind
as we might
you know at least we might observe from
recent events
with the internet and the gatekeepers of
the internet so
um software eats eats the world
software eats the bank software eats the
music industry software eats
the file storage industry that’s where
we’re at and uh
and we’re kind of late to this game this
conversation we’re kind of late to it
because there have been projects in
development that you mentioned
um but uh but enough backgrounding for
me that was just you know i
feel like that that’s what that’s what
was channeling through at the moment but
i would like
if to ask you if we’re going to be kind
of mutual in this exchange
is like who do you want
to hear this conversation like who is
your audience
and what is your intention for us to
deliver to them
how what what is why is it why should it
why should they stick around and listen
to us talk about this and
and what should we be hoping to deliver
to them to make it worth their while
you know because i would say one more
thing i know you have a lot more
friends and colleagues in the software
development world than i do
and maybe it’s those people who you
would want to be the first ones to know
hey arun your friend arun used to build
all these projects with he’s doing
something cool
he’s starting his own project here it is
on github etc
and maybe we’re doing like the you know
the pitch to get them
to you know join forces i don’t i don’t
i don’t know what your intention is
exactly so i’d like to give it back to
you to
to express your intention and then we
can i guess i kind of did mine first so
so thank you for letting me go
so basically uh the
reason for having this conversation um
see how do i see this particular project
is like
you you might be knowing the philosophy
of socialism you know uh that was
in soviet russia and it’s it’s
actually when the agonist the
capitalistic forces
in that particular time but right now
when we come to our own time
what we are actually seeing we are
actually seeing corporates are taken up
all these
uh forces on the form of data
and algorithms so they can easily
a lot of people’s and make them to
um addictive to whatever the system they
have built
across uh saying that they are actually
making these people’s life much more
easier rather
just by the uh just by um
using the forces to
keep this system uh more stronger
you know so what happens in ipfs and
stuffs like that
it’s like it’s decentralization of this
kind of
uh data giants uh in people’s hand
like a person who is see imagine that
the people’s across the india is having
one one raspberry pi and they are
this ipfs node or this incentivizing
across india or across the world or
something like
that so the data is actually
you know so what happens over here is
there is not a single entity which is
actually taking hold of
all these kind of particular data and
these people who are having these kind
of boxes are actually getting
incentivized with the uh coins like
um any kind of any form of crypto
so they can actually exchange that
against anything which has
a real value so if we
check into internet the people who are
actually using the
kind of cryptocurrencies like a
medium of investment or a medium or
something like that but
it’s actually designed in the purpose of
to replace the money you know
so it’s it’s a so this
is my intention behind this particular
uh the centralist decentralization of
uh particular uh internet and the
centralization of the
economy in much border way in a way you
helped me in beginning with
helping me to understand a lot of
technologies out there which is uh
actually using all these kind of
technologies and how to secure
and how insecure it is and how
securities and
who and all is benefiting how many
peoples are actually
uh sacrificing because of this
and stuffs like that so these kind of
economy this kind of
decentralized internet with the
decentralized the
uh uh economy is actually
uh a liberative movement uh
for this uh uh i mean the uh
uh the things which are evolving and
uh if we can uh if my intention
is like if i can build a a particular
product around this and uh which is like
that could be become uh like it will be
a sense uh for me like uh you know
building something which is actually uh
useful for people and which will
actually help many people out there
and that actually give a much more
much more empowerment to people those
who are
around you know so these are my
intention behind
this uh uh particular stuff
well very well said and i appreciate all
that and you know i
i um agree with you
and it’s very important that people um
that people take responsibility
for to sort of dig their you know
digital sovereignty their their
civil rights uh human rights as citizens
of the internet
and and actually study the history of
the internet
to try to understand that it was it was
so that it would resist centralization
and that it would be resilient and it
would be self-healing like
a natural a natural a network of
life in in nature that it would have
many nodes many
interconnection points and very few
single points of failure and then
it’s become corrupted it’s become
and it’s definitely um we’re seeing the
the horrible effects of that uh
from government tyranny to corporate
tyrannies there’s um there’s
if yeah i’d say if you’re listening to
this and you haven’t already been
shocked by some adverse
circumstance of being online finding out
that your your data was was hacked from
your email account
and all they do is say sorry and maybe
you’ll get you know five dollars from a
class action
settlement years later you know maybe
all of your personal data all your
photos maybe that they were hacked and
leaked maybe they were sold so
it’s it’s it’s just it’s getting worse
and worse and worse and i would call it
a disease
i would say that the internet is um is
with with malicious uh actors
both uh corporate uh nation state
and just um and groups gangs of hackers
and just individual hackers
and and then on top of all the malice
there’s just negligence
around the way people store passwords
the way people
uh you know you you basically i guess if
you i would say to people anybody listen
to this whether you’re a developer
a tantric you know a yogi
or all the above as i think we are um
i think that the it’s important to
realize that
ask yourself how many times have i
yes i have read the terms and conditions
and the privacy policy
sign up my sign me up and create my
account and you lie
and i lie every time you click through
that interface
and you don’t read the entirety of those
you lie and you lie to yourself
and you basically wave your
that is a prompt for you to to
proactively acknowledge
the rights that you were surrendering
and waving by by interacting with
whatever that service is
and technically every time you go to a
whether you click a box agreeing
proactively to
the terms of that website or not you are
agreeing to
to abide by the terms of that website
and so
i made a joke once i said imagine if you
for let’s say a day you could do it for
a day you could do it for a week a month
a year
but just imagine for the sake of a
meditation a guided meditation
okay so guided meditation i would say is
uh is uh
imagine every time
throughout a day just try one day
every time throughout one day when you
take an action meaning you click a
you swipe a screen you log into
you visit a website you start a new
every time you take any action
using the internet or using a device
that connects to the internet
if you were to stop and slowly mindfully
make note of every
action that you take that involves
either a pre-existing contract that you
made you already uh signed up to and
accepted the terms for
or a new one or one where by visiting a
new website you’re
you were tacitly agreeing to understand
that you were bound by the terms of use
uh and the privacy policy et cetera that
so now let’s say you did that one day
you spent
logging just a list of all of the enter
all of the points in that day where you
entered into the legal territory of
an agreement with a third party to
you know conduct yourself on their
platform to consume something from their
platform to
transact to interact to basically send
packets of data back and forth across
the internet
so now you have after that day let’s say
let’s just say it’s a hundred
you know average person it’s probably
well but
you know it’s hard to say we know who
you are where you are in the world
for me i would say it’s probably between
a hundred and a thousand per day
um if i were to really log like every mo
every second
like right now i probably have maybe

just because my devices are on you know
and then
and then if i go and browse and search
and click and surf and follow and like
and whatever else that’s probably
several hundred within an hour or two so
let’s just say
you know let’s just say by the end of my
day if i were to log every
contract that i’m operating under let’s
just say for sake of argument there’s a
thousand right so you
so so let’s just say you you know we all
end up with
a list of a thousand contracts that we
interacted with in a day
and then you can ask yourself well how
many of those
details of those terms of service
privacy policies et cetera that i agreed
to tacitly
how many of those thousand do i have any
cognizance of do i really have any
understanding of do i
do did i ever read at all probably very
and even if you read all of them are you
like careful about about abiding by them
and and always aware about what the
consequences might be
if you are in violation of them and
you’re at fault and you are liable
and then also what what what are you
trusting them to do you’re trusting them
hold up there into the bargain but you
kind of assume that that might be more
than they signed up for and they’re
actually waiving
right waiving the the the liabilities
that you think they might have
so you have less you know uh they don’t
really have your back the way you
thought that they did because you were
just living on wishful thinking living
on a prayer
so the next step i would take in this
guide to meditation
is to visually imagine that those
contracts that you were that you were
engaged in
electronically invisibly that they exist
in in the in the fantasy world of law
and and
and the the sort of um the the
electronic world of
ones and zeros you know binary data
going through the pipes of the internet
and the wire with the wireless uh
sigma the wireless um sphere
that all of that material now imagine if
you actually
sat there with that list of a thousand
contracts digital contracts and you
sat there with a printer and you printed
them all out and then you stacked
up every contract that you printed out
how many inches or feet
would that step with that pile of
contracts stack up to be
and that is your digital life the legal
structure of your your digital life
visualizing and imagining that’s how
uh risk that you know unacknowledged
risk that’s how big your blind spot is
you know that’s how um
how mortifying and terrifying it really
is to think about
the speed at which we surrender our
freedoms our rights and our privacy to
third parties without
a clue about what we’re doing because
it’s fun because it’s a new shiny thing
because it’s addictive and so
what what the framework to come out what
arun is saying
why it matters if you were privileged
enough to live in a so-called free
country where they don’t just black out
internet when people start protesting
and they don’t
yet monitor every single financial
transaction that you
that you make with using your whatever
currencies you use uh
with from cryptocurrency to fiat to a
central bank
digital currency it’s we’re talking
about surveillance
and and the recourse that you might have
as a citizen of the internet you you
and me and all of us who are
happy to use these quote free services
the mantra is if it’s free you’re the
and so what does that mean if it’s free
you’re the product it means
the only way that most of these
platforms that we’re using
to do our daily digital lives that we
take for granted
and we have very careless and reckless
with um
if we’re not paying for that then
the revenue model for those platforms to
exist unless it’s something like signal
app which is run on donations or the
tour project which is
around donations or just an
open source project where people just
create free
free uh licensed con material for people
to to fork and build on uh if it’s if
it’s a business with
data centers they got to pay for and
they got to pay their lawyers because
it’s their lawyers who are going to
we’re going to make sure that you don’t
sue them and they they know their terms
of service they’re paying their lawyers
they’re paying for their data centers
they’re paying lobbyists to
manipulate governments for their
advantage and they’re monopolies
so you know it’s a pretty old playbook
that they’re operating on
and uh and you were you were the product
they sell your data uh to
advertisers so that they can give you
a the the delusion of a free product but
as they say there’s no such thing as a
free lunch
so we’re at a point in my opinion
as like a you know armchair philosopher
of internet
and i’ve been um i mean it’s cool my mom
showed me my first website and it was an
anarchist it was called like spunk or
something like that it was an anarchist
um an anarchist uh like one page
web . very primitive html
website and and i remember her
excitement because she is also a tech
and um and we all had back in
you know the first
web page that would load um or the error
of the first web page is you know we
we’ve come a long way but i go back to
remembering when things were much
and much less invasive and far more
um peer-to-peer you know anybody could
post a website a web page i mean back
then it was called it wasn’t even
you know you called it a web page hey do
you have a home page yeah here’s my home
page you know
it’s like you scroll down for a mile and
there’s twinkly gifs in the background
uh you know funny fonts and like it’s
just a total
aesthetic atrocity there’s no
functionality there’s no embedded
scripts there’s no trackers there’s none
of that stuff barely even
search engines at that time and uh
of course venture funding silicon valley
you know they they seized the
opportunity to
gentrify that beautiful
peer-to-peer very open very
egalitarian and far less insidious and
hateful and
aggressive and poor mannered
behavior you know and you could also
stay anonymous
in in a lot of ways so if you did want
to be building a movement
you know secretly or or exchanging
information as journalists you know it
was it’s just
you know in the words of michael basil
my favorite techie
of almost one of my top favorite techies
michael basil with the
privacy security and ocean show and
um you know he’s one of the most
advanced uh
private investigators on the planet and
he’s worshipped as a
was as such and i and i love his work
and uh and i learned a lot from him and
he says uh when he said
you know he’s like i don’t use a lot of
these platforms the social media stuff
anymore he’s like you know what the
internet’s not fun anymore
and that broke my heart
yeah so yeah the thing is like yeah
in a way i also don’t use uh much of the
uh social platforms and not just the
decentralization of the verb but that is
that is not just what i am aiming into
also aiming into the decentralization
of the corporate power which is of
money money is centralized when it comes
to a centralized institution it is like
it is it is easy to control uh
or it is easy to manipulate such a
with the uh bad infos which is actually
uh uh flying uh
through internet or any kind of media
with such a power
with the kind of money those kind of
are good so whereas the cryptocurrencies
actually uh decentralization
decentralizing all this kind of activity
so this is also one of the important
uh of i’m having and
you know and one more thing is like
exchange rates
are very high if you see into internet
there is that party application such as
paypal and stuffs like that
which is allowing people to send money
across the borders and whereas the
alien mosque is holding the money for
approximately three days and
this uh peoples are actually reducing
the value
of the money for instance if i’m sending
or if i’m receiving or fifty dollars
already ten dollars is got cut through
this third party application
and if the usd value is rupees on
today’s value what i am receiving is
like rupees so
again there is money is been got
whereas in cryptocurrencies the the
is almost equal there is uh
actually there is no boundaries of the
uh the the boundaries are not accessing
it can be sent across from one wallet to
another and
more and more people are getting used to
this kind of technology
and when it is coming to more and more
people’s to use this kind of technology
the actually the borders will disappear
and it is like a small planet where we
all like a single family can a world
government can be
you know executed and
it can be developed across the borders
you know those kind of things is only
possible through
uh uh crypto environment where
the other values like gold and all their
peoples are actually seeing into less
and like there is a lot of people that
died for
gold and stuff like that so whereas um
for instance in uh we are peoples are
actually enslaving peoples in
africa kind of countries like africa and
all to mine gold and sort of stuffs like
that over there
uh just to extract the gold that is the
just the metal from the
uh you know era in order to
get a value on the money and get a hold
of that but the cryptos are
actually uh can break this borders and
can be
used and you know it’s uh i i was
watching to one or two videos of charles
here he is actually saying about that it
is like
uh you know he currently identified the
cryptos it’s not just the
uh uh not just the way of the
darknet people there people are selling
buying and selling the stuffs and things
like that it’s not just the way it’s
it’s not a
medium for investment also it’s actual
currency that could be
sent across the borders without the
problems of the exchange rate or
is uh uh prohibiting people’s from
sending this transaction possible uh
uh across the borders so this kind of
like decentralized internet with the
the economy is what uh
uh these kind of technologies can
actually bring forth and this kind of
uh can actually come up with you know
yes thank you thank you for
for elaborating on those topics again i
with what you’re saying and and i’m glad
that you brought up my my favorite
uh oh captain my captain uh charles
he’s uh he’s my favorite man in
crypto and technology and certainly my
favorite mathematician alive
and uh i’ve spent quite a bit
of um of my life uh
and it has not been a sacrifice it’s
been actually a huge
a huge privilege a huge honor to to be
um a fan of
charles hoskinson going back myself to
december and uh and the classic
cardano basically it’s it’s the what
they call it is the charles huskinson
whiteboard video
that describes the need for
a third generation blockchain technology
and so
we’re in the middle of that of that
that tournament of
gen blockchain projects
and um
i have i have positions
in cryptocurrency holdings speculative
investment positions in in a number of
third generation or gen blockchain
but the one that has won my heart is
for really what i consider it i would
call it it’s the humanitarian coin
you know uh and it’s not the it’s not
the only one but to me
out of the out of the alternatives to it
i feel like um i feel like bitcoin has
been gentrified
uh and ethereum
not not as bad but i feel like um
when i say gentrified that’s that’s
really a repulsive
phenomenon and in my in my life story
as a as an activist environmental
and a uh human rights activist i don’t
want to say social justice because
people have um
kind of trampled that that term but uh
but what gentrification is uh if
if that word is new to anyone listening
it’s it’s very and i’ll kind of talk
about my
my when i was in my teens and s you
know at the peak of my
protesting and my peak of my conviction
and my
raging hormones and you know as they say
days of war nights of love kind of thing
like it was very romantic
and very passionate to be a college age
activist with no kids and no job because
i was living off of student loans and
basically no responsibilities i could
to throw myself at the cops on the you
know riot
police front line you know that the
protests and you know that’s the time to
do that that’s the part the
the the student class is the warrior
you’re either a student warrior fighting
you know whatever cause you believe in
or you’re
conscripted or you join the military and
your your warrior energy gets consumed
whatever your your leader of your
nation wants to deploy you to do could
be for better or worse
so the warrior energy of a population is
always in
the college age people because they have
the most freedom flexibility passion
dopamine testosterone i mean and
so for me a lot of the energy was around
the time when gentrification
was really taking hold in san francisco
bay area
and also where i grew up you know in the
there was resistance by the warrior
student class against the colonization
of poor neighborhoods by what we would
call hipster
corporate chains like that i’m not going
to say the names of them but if you
watch fight club you will see that one
of the missions of project
mayhem was to trash a piece of corporate
of modern art
while simultaneously smashing a
corporate chain coffee bar
and that was like the sport for them as
as like a
pre-crypto anarchists they were not like
the highest tech
anarchist sort of guerrillas but they
were very creative they were like poetic
terrorists you know
is what is what some some people might
say but basically that urge
to to protect the the the working class
the environment um the quality of life
of the fabric of a neighborhood
from the colonial influence of big
corporate invasions whether it’s big box
stores or
chain coffee shops or or suvs sport
utility vehicles that was kind of like
the the menace that was coming in and
ruining the fun ruining the freedom
ruining the culture and the spirit of
local communities just and they had bags
of money real estate speculators
and they would come in and they would
take old houses and they would flip them
and i even remember when i was working
class at that time
you know it felt very awkward to me to
have to take a job where
where like i wasn’t flipping them
because i i was poor
but i would so like they’re hiring the
poor people to dig their own
and that was and i was one of them i was
i was paid as a poor person
living in a poor area to fix up houses
that were then going to sell
at a higher value to price out the
people living in the neighborhood
and then they can use all kinds of dirty
tricks and tactics to basically push
people out
of their own neighborhoods and
grandparents and people who own their
homes like just getting squeezed
out so that uh that
gentrification process is something that
most passionate fiery warrior energy
was used at that time to fight against
that and
i won’t say i did anything illegal in
that movement but i will say that i
i did cheerlead some people who did some
illegal things and that’s not a big
but i will say that because and that’s
before occupy wall street
but then occupy wall street was also
something that i was
not as involved with given different you
know that was like the next generation
of college warrior energy you could say
and that was years you know ish after
cycle of that so i was like just i was
applying my
warrior energy in more more refined or
more sublime ways than just like
okay i’m gonna drop everything and camp
on a lawn that’s cool
i would have done it like i would have
done it all out ten years earlier but
then you know you
your life shifts and uh and i did
support the movement but basically
the reason i say that is because what’s
happening with bitcoin right now
and it has been for a while now and it’s
become slowly more and more
acceptable to to bow down to these
forces of gentrification
they are making it so that the
peer-to-peer electronic cash
casual payments over the internet with
transaction fees and a one cpu one vote
anybody can mine with their laptop ethos
of the satoshi white paper that’s all
been hijacked
and now the transaction fees are too
high to use them it’s impossible to get
into the mining game
it has been co-opted it has been um
gentrified and does that mean i don’t
own any
no does that mean i don’t believe in the
spirit of it and know that it’s still
the best money and still still know that
it’s crypto anarchist
at its heart i’m still a believer i’m
bashing bitcoin itself bitcoin is just
a tool but the way that it has been
and financialized it’s to me
less attractive than something that i
is is ungentrifiable and that’s what i’m
going to call
ada and cardano for the rest of my life
if it continues to be the humanitarian
coin of my dreams which is actually
for the people in a way
that resists the encroachment of
the gentrifying colonizers and so
that extends now that’s that to me
that’s my you know investment thesis
my spiritual investment thesis in
charles hoskinson iohk
the cardano foundation ergo
the rick and philippe from the uh from
from the cardano effect podcast uh
big pay from the bloom um the bloom
steak pool
uh payton uh these are the people in
uh and all of the people that show up on
the iohk
uh monthly product updates all of the
people that i
am aware of there that’s still just you
know those are my those are to me my
heroes that’s my home team like that is
the people who i want to succeed the
most and and who i can attribute
my current wealth to is the hard work of
those people
and the vision and the dream that they
have so that is my
that is my um encouragement
not investment advice my encouragement
my encouragement to
if you’re listening to this spend time
the history of bitcoin the history of
ethereum which i haven’t
said much about but i’m also you know i
love ethereum i love
i love bitcoin i love ethereum more
i love ethereum i love cardano more
so i love cartonno the most and that’s
reflected in
in my portfolio and it’s reflected in my
in my um my path of development like i
did some
some smart contract development on
and um and and it was
it was important for me to have that
learning experience but i
do not believe that a theory i believe
ethereum has been
hijacked by what we call degenerate
gamblers and
it’s decentralized finance is
you know off the charts but it’s also
being seized upon by
degenerate gamblers so they call it
de-gen phi
and there’s nothing stopping really
any force of evil and corruption from
trying to co-opt and gentrify the
cardano network
but i do believe that by design
the game theoretics of its
white paper it’s its um roadmap
the things that i that i’m looking at i
believe that it has a better chance
of mostly through on-chain governance
and through um a incentivization model
uh that that will keep people cohesive
and that is what i think charles has the
most to teach us about is like
governance and and sort of
what you might call min archism or
direct democracy there’s
you don’t solve these problems overnight
just because you figure out how to run
with scissors and
build you know uh uh build fast and
break things is that what the
the mantra is zuckerberg says the mantra
move fast and break things or build so
like playing with fire running with
spending other people’s money like
exploiting and abusing people like
de-platforming people like that’s okay
no charles has set out to address
most of the problems that we’re seeing
in most of these sectors
and so just i say nothing else i’m not
saying by ada i’m saying subscribe to
charles hoskinson’s youtube channel and
and uh you know go along for the ride
as much as you can that’s that is from
the heart my best advice to anybody in
crypto right now
and uh and and i’m it’s cringy it’s
i don’t tell people yeah bitcoin satoshi
yeah the people peer-to-peer yeah it’s
no it’s gentrified
it’s getting worse it’s unusable it
hurts people
and and i am sick of the way that it’s
been abused
i love i love uh dave kleeman i will say
i love dave kleeman
if that means anything for anybody but
but i don’t want to rag
on that and again i i still hold it i
still believe in it maybe it’ll
you know it’ll it’ll um
you know the the the true satoshi’s
vision will
come about some way somehow but i think
there’s a lot of douchebags and a lot of

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and i’m very skeptical about it so this
is just a good time to have this
conversation because there is another
that i want to shout out for the purpose
of this moment
of me speaking from the heart about
these technologies it’s juan bennett
juan bennett the the
the lead designer developer
uh at protocol labs
and and and i would say he and his team
like matrix style hacker warrior
i don’t know if they would call
themselves crypto anarchist but they’re
um they’re definitely ethical hackers
they’re definitely
um you know on on the light side of the
juan bennett’s so these are the two
videos i think anybody listening to this
and i honestly don’t want to talk to
anybody ever again who doesn’t
watch these two videos and i’ll just be
blunt about that unless
unless you’re a sadhu and you’re
drinking bang and you’re
singing mantras you know uh to the sun
and moon
and you don’t have any devices and you
don’t watch anything on youtube
then you’re excused but if you watch
anything on youtube
and you don’t watch these two videos
don’t expect me to want to talk to you
until you do because i don’t want to
live in the future that
isn’t built by these two
geniuses you know and
that’s charles hoskinson and juan
bennett so the charles hoskinson
whiteboard video
please watch that the juan bennett
introduction hands-on introduction to
ipfs video from at an ethereum
meetup when ethereum was probably worth
i don’t know dollars or pennies at a
you get it you will get it and you will
easily understand like what what we’re
talking about for developing
you know a a um uh you know not a
competitive necessarily not i mean maybe
an alternative but i say like um
there the rising tide floats all boats
and then this the ecosystem of open
source technology
every every fork is a net benefit
to everyone because if it if if a fork
of an open source project
um you know out competes and overshadows
the original
the original main uh development path
then then that then that original
development developer
base they have something to learn from
that fork what do they need to integrate
from that
if they fail they can learn from their
mistakes that’s why litecoin is
is a great use case that’s why bitcoin
cash is a great use case it’s all a net
benefit and it’s nothing to fight over
unless you’re trying to rip people off
and you’re trying to manipulate the
but if you care about this technology
my and not so humble you know opinion is
that uh
you know i i wanna i wanna help um push
this stuff forward and i wanna help
adapt this to my needs and that’s what
uh you know the best developers they say
you know we build stuff
that we wanna have because we think it’s
cool and we open source that because we
want people to contribute to that
and we want to grow together and share
in the network effect
and that means you know when everything
is open source everybody gets to bring
this potluck of technology and it’s a
beautiful thing
and it’s completely counter to those
forces of evil
that have that are that are raping and
molesting our data
and our bank accounts and all of our
and in the worst cases facilitating
real actual physical harm on a lot of
levels from
the state the states the authoritarian
regimes and look at what alex gladstein
and the the uh
and the human rights foundation you know
um i i gotta say
if there’s
the love i have for bitcoin it rests
squarely on
the on and the really in the work of
alice gladstein and the human rights
that’s not the only use case of bitcoin
that’s beautiful but i just want to say
like i
my heart does say i love bitcoin i love
the people
behind the projects in bitcoin that are
still fighting for
you know the original vision to for the
people to have peer-to-peer electronic
you know and not digital gold like
digital gold is for wall street to
with people using the did people
don’t people need peer-to-peer
electronic cash i’m i’m
on that i’m in that camp but i’m not i’m
not in anybody’s like religious sect of
you know what what fork of bitcoin is
going to do that i don’t think a fork of
bitcoin is going to do that at this
i don’t think proof of work is going to
do that i think proof of work is an
environmental atrocity and i think
is a step in the right direction but but
getting off the soapbox juan bennett
juan bennett’s hands-on introduction to
you can watch about half of it before it
turns into an actual demo
of like command line you know interface
stuff which probably will
turn most people off unless they really
want want to learn that or already know
but the first part of it is like civics
for humanity in the
information age and the slideshow that
he gives this is a
i’ll pi i’ll shut up after this right
now i’m in the process of needing to
build something
that that that solves my problems and
that i think is cool and that is
going to be a a network of data
resilience where
anybody in the world can get
incentivized and paid to run
and host a tantra punk node of a
tantrapunk network that’s incentivized
so if they if they put together their
own let’s say raspberry pi
which is like a micro open source fully
open source micro
uh computing device the general
computing device where you can load an
operating system and connect a monitor
and a keyboard and a mouse and
actually have a pocket sized it’s like
it’s not as sexy as a smartphone but
it’s also
cheaper and it’s also far more it’s far
less limited in terms of like
the proprietary licensed hardware and
firmware and software that you’re
succumbing to
using an android or an apple phone
so if you can sacrifice the convenience
and the flashiness of a smartphone
and get a little bit more like hacker
you know uh like matrix style hacker
of like this micro computing device
you can run an ipfs node you can connect
on a peer-to-peer
mesh network to access the internet
bypassing isps you can use tor you can
tails operating system which is has tor
built in
and you can be a a
a i always say a pri as much as possible
a private and anonymous
peer-to-peer contributor to resilient um
financial and
file storage networks and actually get
paid for it and there’s
storage there’s file coin there’s
uh there are other projects that are
so trying to solve the problem of
incentivizing people to
to serve serve vital serve files
from their local machine uh
operating as a server to the network or
by you know having a contract with a a
centralized data center or hosting
provider which is like a step
back backwards towards centralization
you know everything is a matter of
degrees but
why i say this now is that i think
you know when i watched juan bennett’s
hands-on introduction ipfs hey
you know i love i i just uh i don’t know
who how i can’t put into words how much
love i have
for like the work that he’s doing and
having read
the ipfs white paper
that is a dream come true knowing that
that that that’s being built
and that brings me back to the the
moment of of my mom
showing me my first anarchist web page
in connecting to a dial-up
and sitting the laptop on the floor
connecting to a phone jack in the wall
and saying hey ben look at this
look it’s a circle a that’s what you’re
into right and it’s a web page and it’s
czechoslovakia or something you know
like how cool is that
and nobody could have come in there and
snooped on that
you know i mean maybe it wasn’t
encrypted at the time but but but my
point is that uh
you know in that presentation of one
of juan bennett he shows how we went
from decentralized
to centralized and how we need to
we need to reclaim uh
that that beauty of that decentralized
uh peer-to-peer
uh functionality of the internet because
it’s always been there we just got lazy
you know like get a little fit get
digitally fit
get off your digital ass and
maybe not learn linux and command line
and haskell and
all that stuff but that’s why i worship
the hackers that’s why i worship arun
because he’s the one who can
make sense of all this stuff at a level
that i can’t but i can watch
charles and i can watch juan tell the
story of the internet tell the story of
big data
and tell the story of decentralization
and fall in love with them
as people as storytellers as you know
magi and uh and shaman and and
and gurus you know in their own right
and they’re creating free
tools that actually can pay you
to operate you know it’s the opposite of
an exit scam the opposite of a ponzi
scheme you know
you were you can um earn
by participating and that is that’s
that’s just super
um flipping of the script but but the
thing i wanted to the vision i wanted to
leave you know in my my words with here
is that
i just released a book i want the book
to operate as an open source
um crowdsourced editing project where
there’s incentivization like a bug
for people to help me edit that
manuscript um
and treat it like it’s an open source
project where people can contribute art
they can contribute
videos if they want they can contribute
commentary they can
you know ask me to add or you know
refine or change a section and it can be
a living
living organic sort of open source
project and people can actually get paid
not only to participate in the editing
process but also get paid to host
the current version of basically what
would be considered like a bitcoin node
or or
or ipfs node or running the client like
if you this is something that will
eventually evolve is like a tantra punk
you know videos podcasts uh books
etc all my digital content can be put on
a raspberry pi
and and it can be all served as a node
on an ip on the ipfs network
and then that uptime of the serving of
those files to the ipfs network
my wealth through cardano and other
investments you know as they mature
will be used to to pay people and
incentivizing them
for their uptime of the network and
therefore i’m not
relying i don’t have to be de-platformed
and i go from platform to protocol
and that is the the other mantra but but
so with uh
with juan juan bennett’s uh presentation
from six years ago
you know he has the funniest most
elegant like
just totally totally fell in love with
this moment where
he’s talk where he’s talking about he’s
talking about book burning
and i think that that was the most
quintes that was the most poignant and
historical reference he could make to
why we need
ipfs and why we need decentralized
resilient data storage networks is that
he had this slide of like
four or five different photographs of
book burning
parties you know um religious fervor
fanaticism uh political ideological
fanaticism right burning books
and so you know his analogy if i’m
paraphrasing correctly
he’s like well you know what what the
internet can do
what file sharing and replication what
not can do is that basically it’s
similar to like well
if you have the if you if you own a
printing press you know
then you can constantly be you know um
and really as they can they can burn as
many books
they can knock themselves out burning
books but you can always continue to
print more with your printing press
and that is basically the war so like he
has a slide he has a slide where
where there’s like like a bunch of fires
you know like a bunch of cartoon fires
and a printing press and a bunch of
cartoon books
and then this it goes from like you know
how how the books can basically
it shows you how the books can kind of
like grow back you know
and continue to like to replace the the
burnt book so they can only
you know they they can’t keep up with
the with that with us
if we do this right and that’s what this
is all about so
you to the book gentrifying book
burners and like
and and and deep bowels to to the hacker
you know
folks who are who are helping us have
these digital printing presses that can
that can prevent you know the the
extinction of our work
you know so that that’s that’s my
so the basically the thing is like um
decentralization of the internet also
the decentralization of the
um economy this is the two things which
uh i’m aiming into and that is something
which i’m trying to build into
so yeah um so i think uh
we are clear about this no no so
where do we go from here that’s all i
wanna that’s all i want to talk
yeah how about can i then i’ll ask you
because i know i talked for a while but
i like to
if you if you want to go a little longer
i’d like to have you
you know balance out uh and can i ask
you some questions then to give people
so maybe you’re listening to this you
got this far and you’re like okay well
what do i do now well i said watch those
two videos you know that’s the start
right you watch those two videos and
then we can talk you know but uh
and then you might change the way you
interact with all those contracts that
you’re in
but uh but but i would like to ask you
if you have
some more time now um to
can you i don’t and i don’t even know
that i know this yet so this is for my
benefit as much as for the listener
i would love to have you share your
narrative of how you became
a developer
uh how i become a developer
so basically i wrote some code this time
computer started to
act on the way which i asked it to do
exactly it will do
whatever i am telling it to do then i
started to like
what i’m writing yeah then i followed i
somehow i managed to be more okay with
the computer rather than that of the
so that is the reason why i become a
um yeah then i want to do something
uh better with the technology because i
know i knew
that the is something which is actually
connect people
uh together and i
read a lot of books into this uh i
i spent most of my time into reading
about the
internet and other stuffs and
and yeah this is the two things which i
got interested into
uh then economy also like i need a
balance of all those things and the
uh studying about the philosophies and
other stuffs like that then
i understood all these three things are
connecting because philosophically
i mean uh human beings are needed to be
free that is what they are
actually seeking indeed down everybody
how do it’s possible it’s it’s not like
uh it’s not just like uh possible in uh
justin do uh uh you know it’s
it has to be happen into philosophically
ecologically and you know all the
dimension it has to happen then that is
how the freedom is actually happening
so uh yeah i
so there is nothing much about the why i
become a developer this is because i
like the this computer thing and uh
some at the moment it started to pay me
also to write the code somebody started
to pay me
so yeah that is one more reason now i’m
uh i’m doing some meaningful work right
like uh decentralizing the internet and
uh you know decentralizing the
economy and it’s it’s like a socialist
dream which is actually
coming true you know a socialist without
the government which is nice
yeah exactly so that is uh yeah
that is the decentralized government
which is possible through it doesn’t it
right yeah and you know you could call
it different things um
crypto anarchism direct democracy you
digital consensus uh network consensus
so now uh thank you for sharing that
and uh and i think you you a lot of
people would
would relate to that certainly the the
the computers are more cooperative than
people part of it i think i could
i could agree with that too and uh
that’s not like i’m i like wild animals
you know because they’re predictable but
people man i don’t know i gotta
watch out so um but uh
but but so this when you say
when someone is now a full stack
developer so you know
i would love for you to share what
the evolution uh it has been of your
your the code languages that you’ve
worked in you know
what which ones you like or don’t like
why you what is your like um
uh what are your tastes for like
code languages and what do you like to
uh in the spin in in the development
space i mean there’s different
things that you probably had to do for a
job there’s probably things that you
did as a hobby and i’m just curious like
what is your passion
beyond just the general experience
of computer programming you know
so basically i started out with the php
the psp was my
uh for let’s understand what is the term
full stack actually means like
it’s like a person who can actually
write a full system like a database
web . system like uh there will be
uh for instance if we see a website uh
there will be
a mysql db there will be a php friend
php uh where we can write the business
logic that will actually
show the things on front end so there is
three levels and there is some chrome
jobs which is
uh running on the background like which
is actually
uh like every minutes so one day we
have to take the backups and stuff like
so little bit of channel script so uh
then in front and some css html and sort
of stuffs like that so
uh five to ten languages all together
uh somebody is comfortable to write
something uh
which is then we can call him as a full
stack developer
then to look back into the technologies
uh evolved the technologies which i
started with the php then
evolved into you know not just because
knowledge is like it’s it’s a and just
exactly like
javascript the javascript which we are
writing on the front end can be used in
the back and as well
so the javascript which then i have
started to use then right now
uh i’m i’m into this uh
decentralized stuff so uh solidity and
haskell i’m trying to learn now
cool okay yeah that was a good that was
a good overview and uh
i see you know in my experience like i
said before i’m more of a designer so
i say i’ve done a lot of um really
copying and pasting of code snippets and
breaking things and just i mean
like if uh if i would have sat
down and diligently read
the php books and the html books and the
css books
and everything i would have saved a lot
of time because i would just end up like
oh i don’t want to learn all of it i
just want to change the color of this
one background oh where is it
and then i would have to use the you
know website developer tools to try to
the class and the style and just like
you know if i would have spent if i
have been done doing it right and been
disciplined i could have really just
focused on learning things correctly
and i but i just didn’t i didn’t have
the the mind for it i don’t
type fast enough i’m very like um
not not not really like proficient at it
and i don’t know if i will get
get caught up to that speed so again
that’s why i value people like you so
you you did it right and you’ve done it
right and you’re still doing it right to
you know you have a mastery in that in
that area
and you enjoy it like i i personally uh
i’m more of a right brain
kind of art you know visual audio
like you know i think i don’t want to
say creative because i think that’s
really insulting
to say oh the creative department and
then like the dev department i’m like no
everybody’s creative everybody’s
to you know it’s a symphony if you’re
writing writing code
you know you’re writing poetry you’re
writing a symphony you’re writing
you know beautiful creative works of of
and and and expressing wherewithal and
math and computer science that is
beautiful so
um so i i want to give extra love out
there to
the devs who you know don’t get enough
love and credit and certainly don’t
don’t get like um even some of them get
very very well
and highly paid but there’s also been
like a race to the bottom with
and uh i’m curious if you could talk
about like what it’s like
to be you know uh
in the indian tech
marketplace where you know there’s a lot
of there’s been a rapid i mean what
i would love there’s a there’s a film
that i think people could watch too i’m
i’m not as i’m not as rabid about it as
the other two you know
videos i mentioned before but it’s
called outsourced and it’s actually the
the actor who was uh billy and gremlins
was that was the actor so if you love
gremlins and you wonder what happened to
you can see him in a movie called
outsource where he’s a corp
he was basically like me you know in the
like era like bubble but
basically like
the the early tech you know uh basically
the digital globalization outsourcing
era and i was right in the middle of
too so when i saw that film it was like
the story of my life too pretty much
but he he goes to india basically he
he loses his own job and they say we’re
this tech you know we’re outsourcing a
lot of this company’s tech to india
and if you want a job you’re going to
have to go to india and train somebody
to do the job that you just got fired
because we can hire people cheaper over
there because now they got
you know the internet connections and
these people are
geniuses and they’re killing it
they’re crushing it so
so there’s been this vacuum of um and so
i back to even like whatever two
six seven ish you know i was um i was
on a team in a tech startup in in la
and i was trying to try to uh
to to uh translate the the ceo
the see what the ceo wanted uh on the
with the developers in india and like
and then that movie is all about that
and it’s actually a beautiful love story
it’s like i would love for i would love
for you to see that at some point i
think there is a way to watch it for
free online
but i’m curious from your perspective
like you
you know you i think you’re i don’t know
your exact age but i think you probably
remember a time where there was at least
less infiltration of like westernized or
you know um and i should say uh
well silicon valley is what is more is
probably the right word but basically
can you describe in your life history
narrative what the transformation has
been like
with all of this digital globalization
of um outsourcing to to the indian
developer marketplace like what what has
that been like for you
just watching that transformation
how do i put it like um
so it’s uh see the thing is like uh
right now um like it’s imported a lot of
ideologies also like a lot of western
ideologies to
india and it’s uh exported a lot of
ideologies from west and it’s uh it’s
taken a lot of ideologies from here to
there for instance
a lot of ideologies which is like karma
karma and birth rebirth and
those kind of spiritual ideas and
from there it came out like market cap
venture capitals and
silicon valley uh all kind of these kind
of ideas
so it’s so it’s in my way it’s like uh
human beings when they are evolving this
is actually like
i feel this is actually good like
whatever is good in both the culture is
actually getting exchanged at each other
you know
and so that that is something like um
yeah that is how the human beings have
to be evolved that’s what i
feel like uh people see if they need a
better life they always need a good uh
sort of income also and if they want to
live rightly the righteous way of
living actually need a righteous
understanding you know
so if you understand things correctly
then you could actually live correctly
so this is like
so in not just the financial level
the existential level also people starts
improve in order to uh
strengthen the living which they are
actually going through
you know so this is something which i
i’m really glad you feel that way it
makes me feel better about contracting
with you overseas and
i mean like because i have to wonder you
know god am i just like
part of the problem gentrifying i’m
talking about not gentrifying and here i
am gentrifying india by
you know even do it but you
you absolve me you absolve me of a
little bit of guilt there um
but uh but no i think uh i think that’s
a beautiful
uh perspective and of course we all hope
that this technology gets
you know more and more green more and
more sustainable
less and less toxic less and less built
on the backs of slaves and you know
maybe it’s like okay fine if we have to
have this technology and we have to have
a cell phone
can we build them so that they that we
and we agree
you know somehow to not just like
make a new model every five seconds and
filling the landfills you know i
mean there’s just too much
waste to to not um be outraged by
you know people thinking it’s out of
sight out of mind you know you just
don’t have all of this
technology without devastating social
environmental impacts and i’m trained in
in that stuff so i’m hoping also
the ethics of the uh the spiritual
ecological ethics from india will also
continue to inform
um the hardware sec part of this whole
industry i mean you can
i mean ideas are very sustainable very
infinite you know very organic
you know but uh but the the machines
that we’re creating to implement them
are not so
i hope that we um that we that
some some next generation of satoshi
helps us have like telepathic networks
or some form of like water
water networks or you know something
where there’s no
mining and there’s no toxic waste and
like zero waste computing is that
i don’t know someone hopefully will
figure it out before it’s too late but
hey air quality is pretty bad in a lot
of india right i mean and in the uk and
in the u.s so i don’t say that to be
paternalistic but like um do you i guess
i could ask you a question uh
when i was you know i i guess i should
say i’ve always been
i’ve always been you know um a uh
gravitating towards green technology
and even using internet technology
for environmental work for environmental
projects and so is it is it appropriate
for you to talk about edu ladder you
want to talk about what that is
and what you built there and how you
know it’s like at least
empowering people so that they can they
can grow their their tools and i just
think of like
how you can use technology to to serve
and to do your dharma you know what i
mean so
what’s your tech dharma arun
what’s my tech dharma
and and maybe just start with edge
so what’s happened is like there i have
built a platform where
people can question answer each other
they can ask questions and answer
you know something like uh stack
or stuffs like that yeah that
it’s done a very pretty job it’s
connected a lot of people’s across the
i mean across india also uh
in a way it’s under it’s made me to
the uh educational
uh ideologies which has been actually
floating around in
india that it’s actually taken
uh from the
british ideology of enslaving
their uh colonized countries
so that is what actually happening into
this kind of uh mostly in the education
which is happening in india and i got
i got a chance to study with the various
gurus actually so there was
a kind of education system which was
actually existing in india
which is like uh helping people to
understand their own so dharma
and making that to and they using that
to live their life accordingly
so like understanding on self and
what is what we call test like
enlightenment or realization
or something like that so with that
knowledge you can actually
live the life the way you want to like
even though
uh there will be a lot of karmas will
happen and
you may not be uh
you will not be attached to the result
of the karma
so the uh karma created the destiny
and karma creates the problem and if you
attracted to the result of the karma
actually what happens you will be
get personated like with your own mind
and your own circumstance the
true freedom may not be there so
the real education system is actually
focusing on that kind of thing which was
actually existing in india that is
uh that is based on the so dharma kind
of thing and that cannot be taught by
until at last that person is actually so
much of
experience in life and a lot of
stuff like that but the
most of the indian education system is
uh is the product of the uh and
slavification of the uh
you know uh whatever the britain has
left behind and that is getting cleared
up now because of the
technology and stuffs like that people
start understanding there
is much better things rather than that
of just on
this kind of uh pedagogical approach on
education and stuff like that so yeah
that was
my understanding out there right
yeah that’s that’s very well well put i
appreciate that i think it is important
that that we all remember
um to to acknowledge the
the brutality of the british
of india and it’s something that i
intend to
spend more time studying and
and i will say at the very least um
yeah that’s a good i mean for me at the
very least uh you know
thanks to to the geeks
the open source software developers the
tech entrepreneurs you know it’s
possible to fight back
with information and fight back with
with peace and love
and tools and have bloodless bloodless
revolutions you know that’s that’s the
beauty of crypto that’s the beauty of uh
open source and i would say that uh you
know um
that whatever whatever religious
and uh imperial empir imperialist
colonizers intended for
you know the outcome of india they
certainly did not
expect or intend there to be what i call
the cult of mayarati
which we will not discuss now but i will
leave that as a cliffhanger and say that
the cult of majorati is a beautiful
um strike back against
the against the the uh the forces
of uh of um sex negativity
and uh and repression sexual oppression
and uh
and and violence against the goddesses
and the shakti of the traditions of
hindu tantra
and uh so if you know if it wasn’t we
have a lot of people
uh you know it is basically i have to
say you know
when i say the cult of mayarati you know
if you know what that means without
searching searching a few of those words
uh then
then you then you can appreciate the
fact that it is mayarati’s
um gift to humanity through through my
work with her
that that made it possible for arun and
i to even
know each other so on that note
you know let’s we could end with the bow
to to to the goddesses you know end with
a bit of a
prayer for me i would say you know
whatever value that this this little
conversation you know
created and i will also apologize for
being a little heavy-handed i’m
i’m kind of in like um a fired up mood
about what’s happening on wall street
what’s happening with uh you know
the the trading apps and like uh and
just everything
everything continues to to shine more
brilliant light uh on cardano and uh
as as we see you know covid
uh as we see wall street
bets as we see a lot of these um
these systems really get revealed for
as as hideous as as they are uh
it’s we’re really ripe for that
revolution and uh and i want to thank
all of the
shaktis that that made this happen you
know for me and arun to come together
and uh also uh also shout out to the
the shaktis and uh in the tech world and
let there be may there be many more many
more uh
forthcoming um to bless us and that
that’s my
my words of um of uh honoring
and try to make a little bit of a sacred
bowing out of this combo where i got a
little hot-headed
for a minute but i think for a good
reason that’s the shiva if there is
you know the the uh the three-eyed one
like a
wrathful wrathful deity energy um so
that’s the end of my talk
and my you know thanks to you arun and
we will continue to
you know do some development work behind
the scenes
and uh and uh yeah would you like to
say goodbye say any words you know for
people listening like arun’s is
that the best place for people to go you
have a podcast
you know you got what else do you want
to promote and talk about
ah at this point i think we have already
spoken almost anything
cool feeling good you want to say so
arun’s that’s the place people
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yeah all right man well thank you for
calling this meeting together it was
very therapeutic for me
to uh to share these thoughts and uh you
know um
yeah have a wonderful rest your evening
and we’ll talk again soon
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