beyond thought what meditation really is

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I appreciate the question. It's it's very difficult to find words because we're trying to talk about something that doesn't have words. Like you say, it's not of the mind. So, I don't know. I think I've had this conversation with people when we try to talk about what meditation is, which sometimes people really separate like yoga and meditation like they're separate.

I really don't. I just see meditation as part and parcel of yoga. And there's sort of a practice. There's like a thing that you could do that you would call meditation. But then there's also a state right there's an experience that one would have of meditation which I'm agreeing with you is not a mind you're not doing anything and it's not of the mind it's the mind spreads out it's beyond mind so I feel like I've maybe had some moments that felt like that I would have no idea how to try to explain them or find words for them for other people but like I said I feel Like nowadays I experience that as more of a natural thing that happens in certain moments and maybe I'm able to be aware of it like to some degree but again it's not of your mind. You can't think your way into it.

Um so I I appreciate the distinction. It's hard to make it, but it it's an important one because you don't do it and it's not of your mind.