All about yogini sadhana Q and A with me.

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hello hi good evening everyone Namaste uh see as we all know that uh know people are familiar with both the concept of uh you know they people are familiar as well as unfamiliar with the concept of the CH yogis the D mahavidyas and the goddess tradition uh basically the call a tradition I must say so uh in this podcast Arun as we were discussing earlier we are going to uh you know decode the concept of the Goddess tradition the yogini cult and the Das mahavidya concept as well so uh before we get into the details uh could you please uh give us an insight into your spiritual journey uh yeah the thing is like uh how did I came into the Mahaba uh I mean mahavidya sadhana or this particular tradition is uh it's basically my grandparents and Grand grandparents are responsible for that why because uh if we look into Kerala there is uh a particular a separate sect which is called ganaka so what they do is like they are a kind of traditional astrologers like you know fortune tellers uh and also the people those who works with the medicines and uh things like that basically Aura and Sanskrit also but the here what happens is that this particular sect is not very much uh uh kind of brahmanical thing like you know there is no I mean if we look into the uh India in in a greater way we could see there was uh untouchability is being practiced greatly in mostly in Kerala like you know Swami vianda was saying that the Kerala is something a sort of of you know a house of mad people are like you know because they are all very much into untouchability so if we look into this particular tradition like you know especially this particular sect is not been uh preaching the untouchability stuff and uh rather than that they were they were the people um in India uh I mean in the South India uh uh um teaching the Sanskrit to the lower cast people uh I mean the too much of lower like you know educational people they were teaching the educations and things like that whatever they were not able to understand related to the holy test so-called vas these things they were teaching so this was uh my set basically so okay the when we look into this uh in my house uh like you know my grand grandparents was having one Temple uh basically it has been um given to the Dali I in in local language it has been known as uh vak cha I mean in the Malayalam language but it is basically the Dali which has been there and if we look into my grandmother like you know when I'm very young people used to come to her like for healing and they used to get dreams in night and how to heal from that and things like that so she gives a a certain kind of mantras and you know certain ashes and uh things like that and salt also so with usage of these these peoples were used to get cured from this when I when I was very young age I looked into this with greater curiosity how does the all these things are working and when I grew up like you know because I got a radical mind and mostly a logical mind I started to think that whether this is because of you know mostly because um uh a kind of psychological treatment maybe you know because people will feel psychologically uplifted over here and things like that uh when they come and contact with the kind of heers and you know generally people will feel they they a little bit uplifted and they feel little bit better I thought it might be a psychological adoption like you know so when I started to study in this particular life I started to study the books in the psychology like you know k j and there are lot of Western people those who if we look into the psychology Eastern peoples were not generally not that much interested in the psychology uh because the most of the things they they are mostly interested in the philosophy like V and things like that correct so this is what the people interested but when we want to study about the mind we have to go to the W those are the people who mostly studied about the uh psychology and c and stuff like then later part I have realized One S truth that the mind is something which is not existing so what so then the the healing is not actually psychological because mind they wrote an entire thing about this stuff which is actually really not existing so there is something which is actually causing the mind to be manifested because mind also uh we collection of the intellect which we get on the journey uh so there is something which will actually cause the mind also to be manifest so what was that and I I got interested into these studies uh then when I was going to schools and colleges I the the studies got more intensified and I studied Western esoterism like there is Alchemist and like mostly you know the the book is talking about The Alchemist is Pao Po's Alchemist so we can get an overview of the how the Western esoterism is been working and so there people believe there is philosopher stone and even the latest podcast which you can go through my channel and find like you know we have discussed greatly in about the beliefs and I in the conspiracies of believing in the western people basically about the UFOs and the uh reptiles and you know there is a space between reptiles and the shapes reptiles that could be from the another dimensions and things like that these kind of sort of things like you know the reality the reality how do how does the reality looks like so I went to somewhere called the nula here I found somebody called n Raja Guru and his disciples I I I mean when I went to the Gula n Raja Guru was not there he was already some his disciples was there and some of his books where he tried to unite the wisdom of East with the west and you know the so he formed a concept called East West University of Brahma Vidya uh basically what it does is like here his entire idea whether he was able to find out some sort of relation between the East and West so in that sort like you know I studied his teachings and his books and I spoken to his disciples uh those who were uh too close to him while he was alive and uh he actually comes from a lineage called Nar Guru and uh this is been in shagiri and these people went to Mara and for the inter religious conference there and uh I think marpa is going to come in next month to Kerala from the for the for whatever they have did based on that um and um um so after studying all these concept like you know about the nataja guru and things like that I understood there is something called samadi is existing like like there is the states of mind like you know Jagr snam sushupti and samadi and there is a place where we can go and get uh samadi experience which is beyond death birth and rebirth uh which people's I mean the uh ancient books talks as like you know the I mean scriptures talks as the state of Nirvana and uh on this light I looked into the viic astrology and what does it means like when I was very from very young age also I have ability to predict basically what what is going to happen and how it's been happening all these things is possible how uh so most of my predictions comes true in later stage and also there has lot of incident has been happened in my journey of prediction because when I was Consulting uh two sisters they were from the Poland basically and I was drawing the card for them and they are twins identical twins basically so the cards which are coming out identically similar like you know the the things the cards are coming for each person is very much similar so the these things the these are the quite interesting stuffs which has been happened then I been to I I I I was in a traveling uh like you know I went to Nepal uh where the uh white tara yogini white tara she was residing in one asham I went there and studied her philosophy her experiences and the interesting thing which has been happened when I was in the asham there was one of my friend she is from Italy and she took the picture of the yogini and uh the the in camera we can see that there is a subtle body behind her phot like you know it's there there is a a kind of Rise AA and she's she's also from she's she's she's from a scientific community and she took this and she was showing me and what was the explanation and we we were scratched our head we were not able to figure out why it has been happened uh then after that I went to um uh room Tech Monastery which is in sikim and here I came across a lot of teachings in the Buddhism basically this particular place where the uh Tibetan tantric uh things is been practiced and there you can see the uh Tara the Tara Green Tara red Tara white tara these kind of 21 Tas 21 taras in the uh Buddhist concept and there is a temple which has been dedicated to Bava and uh the herbs of also is been offered to Bava like you know the uh alcohol is been offered to Bava and I I found out there there is in the it's not just alcohol is been offering to Bava there is also alterations is been happen that can induce the sort of immortality in human beings like that is called s the drinks which has been speaking TT a lot like you know with the dasas and things like that so this was a quite interesting experience I have spent almost one month in uh this particular Monas and I had interviewed one m and uh put that particular uh podcast in my um uh YouTube channel yeah there uh we can we are talking about the uh you know the tantric Buddhism and the by the importance of the guru is very much important if we are walking in this particular path and things like that then uh after that in the certain part of uh um orisa their black magic is been practiced like it's it's it's also related to the tantric wisdom like you know uh there is a museum of black magic is been existing in a place called mayong so there we can see the lot of black magic stuffs and what they say it's as a black magic is basically an occult which can actually transc the reality which we can we are actually experiencing it can induce the state of uh uh radical change in the reality I mean we call as Maya so the Maya can be easily bendable and it can be uh induce uh some sort of uh you know it can we can actually reflects the reality so there are some medicines and the mantras has been used and interest thing is that all this is been associated with the uh mahavidyas in one form or another form whether it will be Tara or it will be Kali it can be shorty it can yeah so the all these things and when I went to the uh kamaka Temple there we can see the 10 tandri goddess's Temple after all this I went to the kamaka temple so where I could actually relate all this stuffs why it is been happening here like even there the interesting thing we can see that the animals that is I mean every day the animal sacrifice will happen in the kamak temple in all the temple mavas temple there is every day happens the animals are not at all scared it is like you know I am going to die first I am going to die first like that they my God so they are very much eager to you know sacrifice their Liv themselves something like that yeah they are very much got to I mean how how is that possible uh why do you think that is possible I mean is it happens in the psychology or something I feel like um you know when you sacrifice yourself towards the gods is like you know the thing what is happening here is like you will get direct connect to the Brahman or the absolute like you know so the you will come out from the cycle of birth death and rebirth get United with the absolute so the animals they feel it like you know in that place they feel it and they feel like giving sacrifice there um I feel so this basically they they V for that salvation thing and ultimately thing is as a Moka so they also feel it internally they also feel it internally that's why I feel like they are like to get sacrificed over there so this all comes into mahavidya sad uh so that is where I realized this has a particular effect on the subtle reality I mean the here uh what we are living and it can also can give an effect on uh here after as well like you know you can get everything over here and from here after also you can get everything I mean we really don't know what happens after the death like nobody came out from the death and told like this is how it's been but correct yeah some clue we can get so this is this is where I got into this is this is my entire my entire spiritual journey which is about the mahavidyas where I come into mahavidyas and you know I studied the astrology and uh the interesting fact is that the in Kerala these peoples were practicing astrology maybe like you know thousands of years ago itself like if we study this history it is uh um it has been practic in there from thousands of years and it can be mostly it should be from the um you know the uh Tamil Tamil uh tamilan history because uh uh the Rishi which we can find in our other people's houses like uh it's uh uh Kik uh you know the people's believe is the son of the Shiva and things like that he he is actually murugan yes yeah he is basically a Rishi he he found the astrology and he has a lot of knowledge about the um um the um I mean the the transcendental uh um aspect science Sciences basically so so this is all about my journey yes yeah thank you so and we will go on to the next question is like if you could since we talking about the chat Yogi and many mahya so could you please you know highlight the concept of uh you know the how it is uh going to uh you know lead people or rather bring in people in uh or rather how should I say uh I mean uh say somebody wants to study uh this path or rather get into the scholar tradition so how would they get in and why should they get in so what is the aspects what are the aspects that would actually bring them into this uh field of studies so why somebody should uh get into is that the um this this is I have been uh spoken in my first book like you know if if you really need to live uh you really need to extend uh your uh senses why I am talking this like you know the basically our reality is been the uh uh conceptualized or the intellect which we have got from our sens sensual perceptions like you know what we see that is what create the intellect on us like uh imagine that if we can see what we were not able to see so it will create a bit more reality for example if you look into the sky uh if we see uh as a a a group of galaxies that is one lakh uh uh Li years away uh what does it mean that whatever we are seeing right now is been Happened One lakh years ago so that that means it is not real because what we see is the light which has been happened in one lakh years ago so imagine that you can you will be having the ability to extend your senses for example your eyesight or some other senses so the feeling towards the life will be much more intense and uh uh when you get into this sort of experience you can actually Bend reality the way which you feel safe like there is um there is a there is Concepts called vasham vasham is like you know attracting the uh opposite sex uh to your whatever the way you want like you know so here you can if you if you if you go for the vum you can actually attract the opposite people towards your life whether it is in business business whether it is in the relationship or whether it is in family and stuffs like that you can change these people's mind which is not that much conscious actually and so you're talking about vashikaran basically so there is something called maram maram maram is like you know you you can you can you can destroy the people those who are not so much good with you and even you can kill people with without their knowledge that is called and like you can destroy the yeah destroy the enemies talking to you so these things are possible with the with the uh with the with the MAV concept of mavas and why CH yogini why should somebody get into the concept of CH yogini other than having interest in the get interest in ging knowledge why should one get into the studies of the chat yini what are the uh you know the aspects that would actually uh touch transform their lives and how would they uh get benefited and how would that transform their uh know life Journey what you what would you like to say about that see the thing is like uh uh if we are sleeping we will never understand what is the advantages of uh uh being awoken you know if you if you look into mahavidyas because these are the tools that can really transform you from the inside out and it can extend your senses it can give you greater well-being so what happens over here like you know you are really truly Awakening so in if you really truly Awakening you can see the life in really different perspective all together and you can experience more on life you know the the life is especially more like you know why do you need to settle for less like uh I mean it's a choice whether you need to be experience more or you need to settle for lesses it's uh it's particularly you you have to choose and it is better to be aen rather than that of sleeping because if you are awoken you can actually experience more than that of whatever uh you are sleeping uh that is that is so you're talking about the mindfulness mindfulness basically this is not just mindfulness there is lot of aspects will uh improve uh the things will happens according to your way like you know the business will improve the uh ability to earn money will improve the uh family life will improve and the even the sexuality will improve your I mean your partner will be good with you and things like that so there is like it's it's more like you know you can get into a better shape the shape of you also will change like you know the I mean the body also transformed human beings that's in terms of the personality in terms of as a person uh I mean that way that you're talking about the personal growth right yeah but not just it's a transformation like you know you are shape of or you I mean how doess huh how do how do people uh uh identify you like you know people will talk the internal thing I mean the mind is more important than that of the appearance mind has to be really beautiful but the in the reality nobody even have an x-ray eye they are not going to look how good you are thinking they only going to look how you are appearing this is how this is the reality if you want something in the real world this philosophy is stupid you have to be really pretty and beautiful you have to be in shape so this will actually attract lot of steps to your life and you know it's it's better to have a good life rather than that of having a less life right like I mean now correct correct anything else that you want to add to it nothing what was that what you saying so uh no I was going to ask you that since we talking about the chinis and the D mahavidyas and if you could explain the concept A bit more we are talking about the benefits we are talking about the transformation yeah but uh like people who are not aware of the concept at all uh so what do you actually uh mean by the uh the concept of D mahavidya the kala tradition and the CH yogini cult so if you could give it a very short ways which people can Layman can understand something like like like you know if why 64 yoginis and why that's mahavidyas and who are they like if we look into the briefly if you could say it for people who are not aware of it yeah so the thing is like if you look into the mahavidya so there are 10 of them is there like it starts from Khali so Kali is basically your Shadow Self like you know what is there in your shadow that which you are not so aware of and you were not exactly looked into and has to be very careful because once you are entering into your Shadow we will never know what would be the outcome so the Kali Tara Tara is there and short it's there chinasa is basically self sacrifice and things like that so when each aspect is goes with the mind um not exactly mind the self so these things has to be purified in order to get into self once these things are purifying you can actually go the deeply into the self so this is one this this is exact way but when we look into the K because Kali will manifest in the uh physical reality that is also is there so based on that you can ask things to the Kali T Chi this because the why I am saying this because the the world is an illusion Maya so the these things can happen from an another dimension and you can manifest them into the physical reality so these are the 10 aspects of life and the when we look into the 64 yogani these are the 6 for Sub sub aspects of the life and it is like you know 6 for it is connected to the 6 for art forms and stuffs like that and if we look really deep look deep into the concept of the Chaat yogini Temple there is there is a place where the where the the uh tantric process or the spiritual process is been done uh in that the uh there are people apart from other Syle like we are praying towards the uh deity here if you sit in the middle of this particular paa all the yoginis are looking at on you so it's it's other way around so this this will actually get you really deep into the self and from there you will be uh I mean when you actually understand the Brahma like this is the nature of life this is how the creation is happened this is how the creation is going to happen so what happens is that you can absolutely you can alter the reality from that particular place that is really powerful okay so uh and regarding the initiation into the tradition so could you please uh give some U you know ideas regarding the initiation the process or into the TR gets initiated how do you do it and all that so basically the initiation happens in the Shakti path generally the master who or the he who realized will generally transfer the spiritual energy by looking into the person this is one of the one of the way which can be energy can be transferred or giving some sort of elements it can be a yandra or mandra or a Mala so with this uh the peoples can actually transfer this energy to the aspirant and from here onwards he or she will be in the path of the Shakti and this is this is this is up to the third level it's the the Master's job is to bring you to the jagrat and uh there is the the the um there is a fourth thing is like tum is there which is like you know not the jagrat or swapnam or sushupti it's it's a jagrat means it's basically conscious okay then there is is not in these three it is on the fourth and it's more than that of the the next state of the because you can imagine because you can understand what Isam suup and the Jag State and but the you T you can also T also you can imagine because it is not it doesn't falls into these three category is actually called as Thum could you please elaborate on the three terminologies that it's just a one liner for uh people who are not familiar with those term loges like one one one line each yeah the uh jagrat is the state where we are a awake and we are walking and things like that and the ability the level of the Jagr will be different for different people and the swapnam is the state where we see dreams while we are sleeping uh sushupti is the state where there is not even dreams are existing while we sleep so these are the three states and the fourth one is tum tum doesn't falls into any of these three category this is T and we can imagine because it doesn't falls into these three category is so some we will get an idea uh if you are not experienced if somebody experienced he will not be able to talk how it is if somebody doesn't experience he don't have he can actually get an idea by seeing these other three states and the fifth state is tya them because you cannot even imagine that how does it like you know because there is no idea even the you cannot imagine it can be anything yeah it can be anything so the in the Shakti path the uh master or the teacher will give an initiation by looking into the eyes or the touching the third eye or giving some uh um Elements which can be you know the Yas or malas or things like that and from there there is a process happens and after that uh the the entire purpose of this is to get you into the state of awareness and after that there is something happens which Trans in the the awareness that can be only given by the uh the yoginis or the mahavidyas or the absolute alone like you know we cannot do anything about that so to get into that state there is a a certain kind of initiation process which is exist that's with the you know lights and lamps and you know threats and things like that once somebody is good with the uh uh the basic initiation they can go into that and uh this is been watched whether he or she is able to continue this based on the things which happens over there so when I was in tanal I was giving one initiation to one lady she is from North America in thean and we were put the lights and things like that and all of sudden there is for no reason wind start to happen the lights are going away so the we again we again lited the lamp and again the wind it was very normal tanal is a kind of you know very normal City and um uh so the it was very normal till then then suddenly wind start to happen we tried it three times three times also the wind has happened and uh we were not able to do that then uh the from there we have given her uh um a process to Chan yogini and ask her to take into this particular path and you know after that we have to see what is what has to be done now okay so uh now what I mean how would you do it for people if say somebody is staying at another different geographical locate so say for example you're say you're staying in Kerala and someone from you know any other part of the globe wants to connect with you and take their initiation from you so how would you do go about with that somebody who is a Layman who is not even introduced into the chat cult or the D mahavidya I'm not talking about those who have already got some knowledge no but what about people who have no knowledge uh about the or no exposure to the concept how would you go about with their initiation the thing is like if they really want they will come into this path somehow this is it works like you know like uh like if you are an artist you will get a circle of artist people those Works in you attract yeah you attract so this is how it's generally works like you know people those who really interested into this somehow they will get connected and they will uh somehow fall into the place like this is how it works and uh and say for example uh yeah this alignment with the yogini cult or with the D mahavidya cult so uh will uh that will actually have some impact the total transformation will be there there will be learning experiences there will be blessings as well uh so will there be any uh side effects per se if someone does some mistake or maybe who is maybe deviating from the uh proper practice of the concept so how will that impact a person in a negative manner will that happen at all if somebody's not adhering to the rules and regulations of the tradition yeah there are side effects so when we are speaking about the side effect of the I mean the if it is not properly done what what would be the after effect like you know uh there is certainly uh you know advantages are there when we are uh working on the I mean when we are trying the yogini sadana also of course there is uh um the there are some other problems also is been there if it is not uh did properly so this this is like you know it is true to all sort of uh uh meditations as well if it is not done properly um there is of course there are side effects um see the meditation uh we have to look into why we are doing meditation some people says it to improve concentration and stuffs like that but if we study that really deeply and properly we could actually understand it is been done uh to get the grasp or the idea about how the how the creation is basically working how the realities are basically working uh all sort of all sort of occult knowledge or all sort of esoteric knowledge if it is not performed properly there is of course side of it like you know for this we have to look into the story of Mila if we look into the story of Mila the reason why he went to marpa uh to study the esoteric teaching like you know the tantric teaching basically we can now also we could see a lot of Buddhist monkss they have extraordinary capability they are living in the uh monasteries uh they can some peoples can fly some peopl can walk on the top of the water there are levitation they have extraordinary uh extraordinary Stu abilities are there that that is not just the case of the Tibetan mongs there are peoples which we could see in the Himalayan caves also is been the uh one of uh there is one story which one of my uh spiritual friend has been shared he was in the uh caes of the Himalayas in search of you know some yogis and things like that so he went into one deep cave and all of sudden uh there is one voice started to come like you also came you also came so he was looking here and there he was not able to see nobody but the voice is just keep coming and the reason was that what happened is that there was one uh Yogi was meditating and he forget that he got a body and it's it's been centuries he was been meditating there and the body has a problem it cannot uh you know uh it cannot go beyond 100 years or 120 years at Max according to viic astrology 120 years is the maximum age the body could actually survive so okay what happens after that the body will be lost so the he got some sort of extra ordinary ability so he was there just like you know as the cosmic Force he was just there his soul was there uh even though he was not having a body so these kind of advantages we can get like you know the the extraordinary abilities extraordinary abilities like you know ability to uh come out from the dead and these kind of things are possible possible so when when when we are talking about the uh disadvantages that the harm that can cause if it is not did properly like uh recently one of my other friend is been connected and he was uh he started doing the uh yogini sadana in order to because he is basically uh a he is basically a cancer patient like you know suddenly uh the things has been started changes in his life and things like that so what he did is like the things which uh once he started yogini sadana like uh what it is he is feeling like committing suicide the reason why he was calling me in at 1:00 in night and telling me that uh I don't I'm feeling like committing suicide I am feeling like I I don't feel like you know any any anything towards my family and what I have to do should I I mean I I I'm feeling meaninglessness to towards the life exactly uh so what was the problem was happening here one of the mudra he was performing was very wrong and this has happened and what happened is that this started to evoke certain kind of energy in his body and uh there are some peoples has been done a sort of you know uh maram in his in in in his existence some he was one of the one very big business person basically he was a very well to-do business person he constructed he was basically a contractor he constructed a lot of bridges which we can see in the Bangalore right now so one of the very big businessman all of a sudden his uh um you know health started to falling apart and his uh uh Commerce I mean his business started to filing apart and things like that so so many things has been happened in this particular way so uh he started doing the yogini sadana to recover all his businesses and you know uh the stuffs like that the suddenly what happened the mudra one of the mudra he was performing was basically wrong so this made him to think otherwise like the Mind started to change because the yokin S is one of the very effective method like you know it it can reflect very fast like you know so if we did it a very proper way this is like you know because this is the um this is the one of the very Advanced spiritual practices uh which we can see uh we can see it in north south Buddhism and uh Hinduism and many things we can see this is because it's includes mudras it includes yantas it includes mantras and it and prays and Y yog also includes so this is one thing uh and also people can uh feel uh you know uh the uh Illusions and hallucinations uh so once like you know the some people's uh feel like I have spoken to people they are seeing gods in so many different formats like you know like some people will see it as a Krishna uh like one woman she was calling me and saying that she's uh seeing in the dreams Shiva is coming to have intercourse with her that this is what Shiva is actually saying like you know so what what is this happening like you know so these sort of Illusions like you know um this can happen uh like that that has nothing to do with the reality what exactly is happening so this kind of disadvantages is can be happen in the uh in the if it is not done properly not properly and if it is not did in uh you know with the with the proper guide this is the problem that can be happened like you know because yeah that's why it's going to ask you without initiation if someone does it how would that impact a person in terms of the the simple explanation is that he or she can turn to Madness and craziness this is they can lose their mind basically because these energies like you know if we look into yeah the mantras are like you know some of the mantras which is been actually uh given for you know PR like you know to change the reality like you know like that people will put this mantras and listen and just chant these mantras because people don't understand like you know mostly Western people they will take these mantras and they just put it in spotif I in just a remixed way uh because this mantras has some certain effect that's why these mantras are there uh so if they just keep chanting that sort of energy they will attract and this is like you know very much hallucina like uh uh some of the one one of my friend she is from Germany and she keeps testing me like you know in morning she will say she's planning to commit suicide in afternoon she will say I'm planning to leave and night she will say I'm planning to commit suicide said this is the this is the problem impacts that can Happ why she does not do it properly or something or maybe she has gone some wrong somewhere behind yeah there she got some wrong ideas and she started to practice in order to achieve this wrong ideas and you know the without because uh alone you may not be able to distinguish between what is real and unreal and you know this is like hallucination and the reality and all aspects yeah so in now since we're into the K so K will actually uh like unlike the other yugas the actually U channelizes mind in a different way towards a different direction which is not so positive which is not so pure or you know things like that there there are other negative emotions which are more more prominent in our day-to-day life that we get to see and around us so in that case since it is a kog that we are going through so the yogan sadhanas are advisable uh for people what do you think about it like what what should one should do it uh for uh an you know upliftment in at the soul level in terms of body mind and soul uh or maybe if I say that uh will it uh benefit them in the various ways including the metri as well as the spiritual uh Journey how will that you know influence the people in the K unlike the other yugas the yugas yugas has been given to people they really don't understand the uh spiritual uh I mean it is given to general public rather than that of a serious sadak or you know sadhika why because uh the uh when when you enter into the realm of sadhana what you understand is that you will you will understand the I mean you will understand in an experiential level that the soul or the Alman which has been here before also and which is going to be here after also so what happens over in this particular Consciousness like you know this is the God's Consciousness where you will be able to see the reality in uh you know some larger uh sense or the larger aspect so here what you understand is that there is uh really there is nothing like a bad is existing I mean the wrong Deeds are existing there is nothing like a good deed is existing because all you all the good deeds you do in the physical layer is just the physical layer like you know so all the bad Deeds you do in the uh physical layer this just ends in the uh physical uh layer so if you look really really deep into these uh uh uh the the the ideas of the morality between the good and bad you will really understand that there is nothing like that is existing so the in that scenario yogin sadana has been advised in the I mean the ult any any anything to do with the really transformation yeah ult Power is been advised in all all the ages those who look for something you know beyond like you know if you if you feel like transcendental transcendental like you know if you feel like you want to do something extraordinary or if you want if you feel like you want to do something uh really really deep you you can actually I mean anybody can look into the uh oul things which can transform you in uh in centuries like you know whatever the you any so that has nothing to do with the yugas or anything of that kind you guys is has been given to really common people like you know they have a not for the people who are into serious spiritual practices spiritual practices like you know because in these spiritual practices mostly peoples will give up uh almost everything like you know if uh if uh because they I mean very minimal most of the peop they live with the very minimal thing it's not like you have to renounce everything uh in order to get spiritual enlightenment or anything that but generally happens the uh I mean socalled the S and all those people they generally ends up having very very less because they they get an understanding of this is enough basically I mean if I want to live this is enough uh this is the this is the idea which will take them to there but if you really want to do something in larger scale like for example somebody like Elon Musk somebody like app CEO these people they really need to gather the things around them in order to uh execute the idea whatever they are having so uh in that way because they they can Flex the reality uh and get the things done according to them so this so for them also the yogini sadana is very I mean it is very important to very I mean very good to half I mean as well as the common people yeah exactly okay so uh my next question would be something to do with uh uh another as angle to it it's like uh in kala which is know by mendr and translated by St and M so in that book in patala 4 and seven we get to see that b is having a dialogue with v chamunda so where he talks about about that uh uh the caller knowledge the caller knowledge should not be shared with the wicked as well as the deceitful uh people that we get to see throughout the centuries because they might misuse the uh tradition the magnes the power of the yog for their rested interest right so uh in I mean what is your opinion in terms of like uh can a person really misuse the spiritual powers of the chin Mah Vias and if so then what would be the repercussions that one might get to see if they uh harness the godess energy for their rested interest and uh so these are the main first these are the two questions which I would like to ask and uh then I go on to the next so the basically uh the very much uh the the biggest example is the story of Mila like you know he went to marpa in in order to study the oul SS because he want to take revenge on his relatives those who taken out uh the wealth he has acquired from his father so this is the reason why he went to them in order to study the uh oul stuff um so basically marpa was kept on going he was uh telling him construct a house and uh destroy it and uh construct another house and destroy it and push the The Rock from here to there and take it back to where it was there and so many things so many years and you know over the years the the idea of the taking the revenge is been gone out from his mind and he become established in the self and he is one of the biggest spiritual teacher I mean the in the centuries as ever seen so even though the wicked people what is the idea whatever the idea they have if they are serious into that like you know Yin will take care because the larger existence knows uh what it has to be done with uh uh what exactly is happening you know so the thing is like uh in that is why there is also initiation process just like you know if people want to just to mess up with the thing or the ideas like you know there is initiation process which I have already spoken where I have tried to give the initiation to the uh larger initiation to somebody and it was not succeeded because the existence was not allowing us to do uh What uh what was to be done uh so um the the thing is like uh uh the the the universe knows what it has to be done in in a way uh when we uh when we are getting the key to change the universe or when whoever is getting the key to change universe universe knows what has to be done with this particular person this is this is what and it bounces back yeah this and so that that bounce back is a reparation that one might get if they try to uh he or she tries to uh you know harness the goddess energy the negative way right that's what you're trying to say okay yeah so the anything else that you want to add to this point no okay uh so in that case is how you decide if the uh individual is eligible for this uh uh you know ISO study uh whether the person is eligible for it in that sense it's like whether his or her natal chart would support the studies or whether it would actually stop the person from getting into it how do you decide do you see the since you are into viic astrology as well so read the Nal chart of the person uh before uh allowing that person to get aligned with the tradition or maybe for getting the person initiated the tradition is it is that the way you do it when you're trying to get somebody initiated into the practice how do you do uh the initiation process uh I have already I mean how do you decide how do you decide like the basic initiation has been given to everybody and the uh the ability to advance on this particular practices is been largely desided by the uh goddesses itself like you know the because they have they will show it has to be done it should not be done in in the we call as Omen like uh the the that is why I shared this particular story where we so bad woman or good woman will actually come and that's how it will it will stop it will stops to get uh give this particular initiation into this particular Point okay so uh don't you actually go through the little chart as well while yes uh the the the the spiritual advancement of the particular person can be decided uh I mean how good he can go uh through the yogini initiation can be read from uh his or her chart like you know we uh there I think I had a podcast discussion with one of my another astrologer friend in the uh he is from us in my session you can see where we were analyzing the detailed chart of the uh R Mahari and the N Maharaj these peoples were if you look into the um adik vadik studies these two figures are written a lot of book and D Mari is one of the biggest Yogi which has been ever born this is what we can see uh if you look into their chart and why it is like that like chart has different aspect like one is n chart from there we can get D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 like d8 like like that we can um derivate uh so that particular aspect also is there like you know it will give a hint uh like you know this particular person is mostly eligible for the studies of the I mean uh the particular studies how how how how well they can uh get into that and how fast they can grow up into this particular line is also is been you know is been uh can be read in the chart itself like yeah okay so now I come to an to the end of the series of questions which I had in my mind and which we had uh which we were discussing so anything else that you would like to add uh I don't have any more questions right now so if you want to add anything else uh which you think should be uh you know idle for the people to know for your audience to know anything uh at this particular point right now nothing else uh I want to add in this particular thing but I think uh we have covered almost everything related to I mean the most of the questions which generally people are facing I yeah and uh yeah uh uh since uh I was actually uh I was I actually got initiated into the chat yogini tradition long ago in May 2017 and uh since then uh I was actually doing the chanting and doing a lot of uh research on the subject my teacher taught us eight mudras when she got us initiated into the tradition in May 2017 and recently I guess it is seven days ago you also taught me 10 mudras uh for the Das mahavidya uh concept and uh I see till now I have seen quite a know as I've discussed with you already I've seen quite a a positive uh sensation till now so any but my experience was really uh till now it is quite nice and uh what I would like to tell people that whoever is interested in this uh tradition want get initiated into the tradition wants to uh whoever is interested in studying uh the subject uh you can contact uh Aron VM uh through his uh YouTube link and his website and uh yes if if you ask me that my uh experience was quite nice and you feel the presence of the goddesses when you start meditating and uh yes you need to have a clear mind uh as to what you want out of the studies uh you should be focused on the studies you should be focused on your well-being and uh not harming anyone not not thought of harming anyone only think about your own personal development Spiritual Development and uh the betterment for your family and your own self I think uh as long as you think in that way uh you'll not uh feel the WTH of the goddess and that's what I feel so if you have to say anything else to it uh I don't I would request you to say it uh yeah thank you for sharing your experience and you know uh maybe mostly it will be helpful for the people who want to walk into this path and I would love to say that every experience uh can stop you from getting greater experience because why because mind has a tendency uh if they get an experience it will like to relate that particular experience to to the new experience which is coming so what happens here is that the idea of the previous experience will stop from having the new experience fully so don't cling to any sort of experiences like you know from there we have to move forward uh that is how we can get much more deeper and greater experience into the studies yeah that's why my teacher says in the related to the bramman uh he who knows about this he don't have to seek he who don't know about this he don't know what to seek and if you think that you know this then you really don't know so this is the yeah yeah so this is this is so this is this is the this is the main of it yeah this is really the deepest wisdom which which from kopish so yeah so the pish experiences are not different from the yogi I mean the yogini experiences and this is one of the fastest way which I found in my correct yeah and yeah and each experience is a new experience yeah exactly true if you want to get if you want to get the new experience you should not cling to the previous experiences but you can actually go keep that along with you and go on to the next level I that's how it should be like for me it's and then now it is MAV again a separate segment see like you know the it is something like you know the uh when you fall in love uh you know the very first day or the first time it is like you know so deep like you know like you know butterflies are flying and all the emotions are coming out and so many things will happen like you know but when you look into the next day you relate this first experience with the next day so the next day also same experiences which is deeper than that of the first experiences are actually happening because of you are relating the previous experiences with the now experiences uh you will not be able to get the present experience that is happening that's that yeah so it is like okay it's you're trying to compare with the first and the second thing that's what you're trying to say so it's better not to compare and take each day as a or rather each experience as a new experience and a new learning and also obviously the learning and the wisdom and obviously the blessings of the yogin mavas they all come together