UFOS and aliens

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what you think about the Rosell uh the thing which has been happened in the Rosell like you know they found one alien space ship like you know we when we talking about the alien and things like that what what is exactly what is your take on that like so 1947 was really the year of the Flying Saucer for the Americans uh started with a guy in a pilot excuse me in h Washington State who um said he saw a bunch of flying discs uh near Mount reneer and then um a little bit later in 47 there was um something something fell from the sky uh outside of Roswell New Mexico and the initial uh newspaper report was oh this is some kind of maybe one of these flying saucers we've been hearing about and then the government showed up and said hm yeah no no it's not and uh and then other people said yes but look at this strange material oh my gosh and um so people uh debated it for a little while the government stepped in and said uh no and the thing is the interesting thing is the government was like they really did kind of Strongarm people who uh were Witnesses or who were saying certain things like they went in and they told people seriously you need to stop talking about this just drop it it was a weather balloon that that is the end of the conversation shut up and so of course people what would what would you think you would think so we were right it is a UFO and so therefore it must be some kind of a a you're covering it up for some reason probably because you got technology or whatever and then it kind of just died this is the funny thing a lot of these things that we think are so they've been around ever since the very beginning they didn't really come things until fairly recently it really isn't till 1980 when a book called the Roswell incident comes out and this is written by two people Charles berlitz and Bill Moore now I'm sure you've heard of The berlitz Language School it's all over the world they have a very particular they use something called the direct method for teaching they have a very particular way that they teach and he is he is the founder of that school but in the late 60s he kind went down the weird route and he wrote a book about the Bermuda Triangle which very few people had even considered uh a real thing and he started pushing no it's real it's real then he started writing stuff about Atlantis then he wrote stuff about this and that and he's one of the the fathers of this 1970s boom in weirdness um conspiracy theories again mainly held by left-wing people at the time bigfoot Bermuda triangle Atlantis no as AR but uh there are peoples are showing all sort of the metals which has been found on this particular thing this is this could be from uh some technologies out of uh you know out of the planet Earth and uh this could be something um that could may not be possible with a human being this should be that sort of thing what do you think about all these kind of evidences which they are pushing on the internet and you know well the the evidence is that this is not weather balloon material and so therefore it must be alien here's the truth of it though so the reason I mentioned this is nobody really thought about the government told people shut up uh they did and nobody talked about it until this book comes out in 1980 berlitz is one of the authors Bill Moore who is a massive scammer in the UFO World he's one of the creators of the Majestic 12 uh conspiracy theory and a whole bunch of these other things he's just another one of these uh early UFO scammers uh and then people started talking about it and going back and looking at the uh quote unquote evidence that's around and and so on and so forth finding that sometimes it's hard to find uh official documents and and pictures and things because the government really was trying to hush something up they had I can't remember the name of it now um I was trying to look it up real quick but they had a a program in which they would send not weather balloons but a different kind of balloon very high into the atmosphere high altitude balloons that were listening devices not so you can pick up a conversation but they were listening for uh certain kinds of lowf frequency rumbles or Booms that would tell them if the Soviets were conducting underground nuclear weapons tests and so that was a state secret that was a big secret the Soviets can't know that we have these balloons way up there listening for if they're conducting uh nuclear tests because we ask them and they say they're not but we don't believe them so that that was the secret program that uh the government was covering up and so that's why people were strong armed to the silence and so on but then in 1980 Bill Moore and Charles britz who don't know about this secret program because it hadn't come out yet they hadn't Declassified it um they start to speculate it was Al alens well why did they cover it up cuz they recovered uh technology and they recovered bodies or maybe living aliens and from there grows a whole sweet uh industry really of Fantastical stories great stories entertaining stories um none of them true about UFOs secret government uh deals with aliens Eisenhower back in 1957 made a deal with the aliens let them abduct human beings in exchange for technology and all this stuff and it all stems from these two guys really so that's that's what happened with Roswell so but uh the thing is like that uh the uh the balloons the weather balloons is being cleared up very fastly from the place what you think about that like you know is it uh so normal to clear something from the because it wasn't a weather balloon it was one of these listenting device balloons it was a different kind of a balloon and they didn't want anyone to know that they had this up there because it was a secret so that's why it's not weather balloon material because it's not a weather balloon it's this different sturdier kind of balloon and so no it turns out that the residents of Roswell New Mexico and the sheriff had never seen this material before because they're not they're not cleared for classified military experiments so of course they'd never seen this material before but the reason they made that initial jump to oh it's UFOs is only because just a couple of months earlier the UFO craze started and flying saucers and all the rest and so they just they just took that story that was flying around in the Zeitgeist in the newspapers at the time ran with it and the government kind of didn't mind that people were talking about that go ahead talk about flying saucers because that way you're not really trying to find out what this stuff is which is our secret listening device so that we can spy on the soviet's nuclear program so that's why it's is there any episode which you have did about this uh particular incident I I do mention Roswell briefly uh in uh there's a as we were leading up towards what would become the first of now three Congressional hearings in the United States on uh UFOs or uaps as they're known now uh unidentified aerial phenomena um I uh I did a whole bunch of stuff about UFOs and the first one of those was uh about early ufology uh and that's called signs grudges and blue books because those were the the early programs looking into this stuff and that's episode 23 um roswell's briefly mentioned but it's it's basically all about those early days of UFOs and uh how that really started to become such a thing but again UFOs have been a thing around Roswell really wasn't talked about nobody really even UFO people never really thought about it because it was obscure and nobody had really heard about it until this 1980 book and then suddenly everybody was like I've known about it for years no you haven't you didn't even know about it till this book came out so you know stop so what do what do you think about the UFOs in general is there any conspiracy theories which has been came true about the UFOs and the aliens basically what what is your call on that like well uh it's interesting people used to ask me do you believe you seem to disbelieve all these conspiracy theories are there any that you think might have something to them and I used to say there are two there are two conspiracy theories that I give some serious thought to one is UFOs and two is that we all live in a simulation those are the two that make me go hm yeah you know maybe the simulation one I did a whole episode about it uh the simulation one is a blackbox problem because if it's true we will not be able to get out of the simulation enough to be able to tell if we are or we aren't and so therefore like a religious belief it's just something you just go with or don't go with who cares uh if you're trying to find the truth you'll never find the truth while you're alive because you can't when it comes to the UFOs I used to think think while there are a lot of scammers a lot of liars a lot of scammers quite a few lunatics uh in the UFO space I always kind of thought that there's something to it I don't know what it is I don't believe that people being taken up and having things put into their anal cavities by aliens because honestly how many times would you need to do that before you go yeah it's exactly the same as the last 35 times we did it the guy didn't like it but you know so like how often do we do it but surely there's something because we do have so many stories and and there's it's not great evidence but there's some evidence and it's not helped by the people who throw up a dinner plate or a hubcap from a car in the air take a picture of it and go look a UFO those people aren't helping because there really is something there and the interesting thing of course it's become such a big thing now because the Americans have finally said something for years the French have said absolutely 100% we see stuff in our airspace and we don't know what the hell it is and it moves and behaves like it's a physical object not an illusion of some sort optical illusion like there's a physical thing there it reflects light it um there are radar signals which means radar radio waves are hitting something physical and bouncing back to our receivers so there's something there and they move in a way that is impossible to our knowledge uh according to not just uh our current level of Technology but our our knowledge of the laws of physics and aerodynamics uh the belgians said the same thing the Brazilians have been saying it for decades the Japanese have said it but you know especially for Americans who kind of have a hard time believing any other country but America exists uh it took the Americans to finally say okay they did it they we I did all these episodes and the leadup to the big Congressional hearing they had the Congressional hearing and the people in um the military we discovered two interesting things one there is absolutely something in our airspace and we don't know what it is like for sure UFOs are absolutely real what they are that's the problem nobody knows they don't know are they aliens maybe are they transal beings maybe if that's even a real thing are they uh another country's technology we really don't think so because we have pretty darn good technology and we're nowhere close to being able to do some of the things that these things can do are they physical sometimes they do seem to be and that's the problem so we we learned that there is something we learned that they do not know what it is and we learned that there has been a concerted effort for de decades to not really try and find out why you would think that we would be very curious about this a couple of reasons one because the different branches of military and Military Intelligence do not like to share information with each other the Navy has their information the Air Force has their information they don't like to share and they don't want to share they don't want to start that process number one number two it turns out that in the US government there are some pretty hardcore Evangelical Christians and these Evangelical Christians absolutely believe in the literal truth of the Bible and they absolutely believe that Satan is a real being who lives in the middle of the Earth or on Saturn or who the hell knows where they think he lives think he's so because of that they tend to cover up a lot of steps which is uh related to the UFOs and uh aliens that's what you're trying to say because they think they know the answer one guy this this guy uh who was looking into this stuff who you know somebody talked to him in the corridors of the Pentagon where they worked and he said why do you keep poking around in this we both know what they are and this guy said well no that's the whole point that's why I'm trying to get more information because we don't know what they are and the guy goes but we do demons so now we have this so it turns out that yes when Project Blue Book which was a decades long look into uh UFO reports started it was legit and then the new guy who came in to takeover was tasked very specifically with all of these things have to be explained you can't have any unexplained things on your books and then the next guy that came in was a True Believer in the demon hypothesis and um so he had a vested interest in saying no no we can't we can't we can't we can't talk about this we just need to let it go because we're going to start Armageddon we're going to start the final war between good and evil and destroy the Earth which we don't want to do and so therefore we're not going to talk about this and we're not going to look into it and anybody that says they saw a UFO needs to shut the hell up and so that's what happened until now they're starting to destigmatize the the very topic and people are starting to come out and say yes like credible people not Joe Blow on the ground but like Pilots military pilots and people who are trained to be observers are saying yes I I I saw something the problem is we don't know what they are see the they're real we just don't know what they are so what do I I do agree to these two points one is like you know the the the the simulation probably we could have we are living in a simulation why because in religious in the religious text also I mean the ancient text which we are in India most of the peoples are believing we say this is Maya this is illusion yeah there is something it does sound very similar right yeah ex yeah exactly it it sounds very similar also the UFOs or the alien creatures when we are talking about this stuff like uh there is a particular possibility that the like let's ask we are H we are only having five senses where we are able to hear we are able to listen we are able to see and stuffs like that let's assume we are having some two more senses and our perception about the world will be entirely different so the the so the thing is like the when we are doing the uh you know sort of uh uh coniguration and sort of uh experiment with the gods and things like that the day is so some people are feeling this is actually coming out maybe this could be the other form of the life which is coexisting with the life of uh uh us also the you know this is one of the possibility which I strongly believe this is one of the this is one of the but again I would caution use that word belief because you don't have any evidence for this none all we know is that there are things flying around the sky they especially like coming really close to military aircraft they really like hanging around nuclear power plants and nuclear missile silos and that's all we know we don't know if they're crafts they act like they are but we don't know that they are because sometimes they don't act like they are so we don't know if they're Vehicles we don't know if there are living creatures in those Vehicles we don't know what those living creatures are all the different theories out there they're aliens from another planet they're aliens from our own solar system they're us in the future who have come back again time Travel Is it real uh no they live inside the earth maybe the hollow Earth theory though I think we know that that's probably not true and then there's this there's a whole Suite of these transdimensional beings were beings that coexist with us in the universe but we can't perceive but for some reason they can the problem and it's interesting because I've been doing some research on this because I'm very soon going to do another followup now that we've had three Congressional hearings I'm going to do a followup on here's where we are with the UAP thing here's what's happening the problem is is that many of these people who were pushing for what they call disclosure please can we be honest about this can we admit that something's there and can we share information so that we can maybe start figuring out what the heck it is and what the heck is going on a lot of them are not getting what they want and so many of them are starting to go down these different paths it's almost because there's a there's an economic ecosystem in the conspirac spere you need to have a conspiracy theory that you're pushing where you don't make any money no one's going to pay for a book that says I don't know you no yeah exactly very true like you know maybe UFOs who the hell knows buy my book no one's going to buy that book no one's going to listen to that podcast no one's goingon to watch that movie you know so you got to come up with with a thing and more and more of these people are starting to go down this there was a guy named John Keel who became famous researching The Moth Man uh and he had a whole Theory based on literally nothing uh that uh that there are beings that are because first he said okay it looks like UFO phenomena but not just UFOs UFOs um uh electromagnetic interference the Men in Black which we now know is completely made up uh and a few other things they all seem to it's almost like they're messing with us but they're messing with us in a very lame way like they don't understand our systems our society the way that we even perceive things in the physical world like they're they're really bad simulacra of some kind and uh and they it doesn't make sense but there does he got the sense very much that they were toying with people like him who were who were looking into them so he started to come up with this idea of what he called not extraterrestrials but ultraterrestrials which are in fact beings fully formed beings probably with their own society and their own you know uh civilization that live live here kind of sort of next to us and we just don't perceive them and that when they try and interface with us they have to kind of they have to kind of Brak it down and they're not very good at it this is this is something which I also believe because some certain rituals which we perform in the uh I mean so-called the spirituality uh these kind of things we really feel the presence of the extra being it's not just the experience of a single person it is the experience of a collective people like you know it's not just maybe some people are believing it's as God some people are believing it as some s sort of deities and but if if some people are looking into that with a radical mindset in order to you know in order to uh get the uh you know the secrets to be unveiled in whatever is existing this is something which I have seen and I have I mean some ancient uh uh test and Scrolls and there are methods to experience these kind of deities or the another dimension being maybe in modern language maybe we could say because when they are writing all this stuff they may not be knowing what this is exactly because they don't have all these kind of modern Technologies and things like that see this is something which I experience I mean I believe basically so have you have you ever thought of doing a podcast on you know the conspiracies which I believe have I thought of doing conspiracy an episode of conspiracy Clearing House about conspiracies that you specifically believe no because I don't know what those are which like which ones which ones do you believe I mean no I mean about you I'm talking about you did me oh well I understand I was like no I don't know you have to tell me which ones you believe and I'll tell you yes or no um the ones I believe I've already done the simulation uh Al and I've done many of them on UFOs and I'm going to do another one on that uh soonish especially looking at the the transdimensional being uh angle of things um though I don't buy because again I'm not a Christian I'm not a religious person and so uh I understand for example like you say hey I've experienced it it does feel like there's something else I can't see it but there is something else physically present here and other people around me do having said that there are studies and experiments that have been done that show it's actually not that hard to induce that um perception or that intuition in people especially in groups of people who are there for a focused particular reason especially if they already have a a a pre-existing belief in these things it's actually not hard to do at all um but even maybe here's the thing when it comes to the trans trans dimensional being thing maybe maybe my problem is that so many of these UFO experts experts out there uh who are talking about this and who have started out of nowhere it was aliens aliens aliens aliens and now they have shifted very quickly when they're not getting enough play enough attention to transdimensional beings who are evil they're evil they eat he one of them is hysterical they eat human Souls while we dream oh just stop you what are you talking about you know you don't have any evidence we don't even know that there are other dimensions we don't know that there are things outside of our because here's the thing you and I can't perceive the infrared have tons of machines that can and they're not picking up on this stuff they're not picking up on any of this stuff so then we get into well okay but there's like a universe right next to our well now been trying to do for decades so again if we want to take these things as articles of faith I believe that there are alternate variations of our universe next to us and I believe so that's one amazing thing that if it were proven would change everything and and completely trans transform human consciousness and Society that's one thing next that those are inhabited by other beings or versions of ourselves that's number two amazing thing to learn about even more changes number three it's possible to move between one and another that's another that's three amazing things and at this point you've already lost me because those are three amazing things none of which we have any idence for except maybe and then when we go we go through that we go through all these different things and we finally come to they are evil and they are eating our souls Soul who who proved the existence of the Soul when did that happen how did I not catch that news headline I didn't know that we'd proven the existence of the Soul so that's another problem Souls they're eating our souls which may or may not exist and they're eating them whatever that means when we dream as they pass into our universe through our minds like what are you what are you talking about like suddenly when you hear this kind of stuff some of the stories religions come up with sound positively reasonable compared to some of the mythologies that the UFO people are pushing out there because the religions at least do have a series of practices that allow people to commune with each other certainly commune with certain thought ideas and gestalts certainly with something else maybe mhh it I know it feels like it so maybe maybe not but maybe and if not how is it that you know you and all these other people all have the exact same experience does that mean that that experience has an external reality which would be amazing to learn or does it mean that that's purely subjective and internal but one strong person personality somehow non-physically or without physical touch communicated that to all the other people in the group and that would be amazing to learn as well you know what I mean either one of those would be absolutely amazing and I would welcome any Research into both of those possibilities or any other possibilities but it gets confused when we get into this war of Good and Evil and interdimensional dream Soul eaing dreamer monsters that fly around in spaceships this doesn't help anything these questions the questions I think that you're interested in looking at uh are interesting questions and they're worthwhile questions but when they get confused with all of this nonsense with these ridiculous Horror Story narratives nobody benefits except for the people who are pushing those narratives you know and then and then my next question is how much do they Ben how much does Bill Mo make pushing the Majestic 12 narrative he took the time to make fake documents fake documents that looked like they were multiple generation copies using ditto machines at the time so he took I mean hours and hours and hours to write them to make them put a coffee you know ring on them to make them look authentic hours of his time so he could slip them through the mail slot at his friend's house and then what write a book which sold what