Unravelling Conspiracies: JFK,Moon Landing,Reptilians and beyond.

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so today we are going to discuss about the conspiracies uh here we have Derek uh I think this is how it's been pronounced basically maybe my accent could be a little that's correct dere Derek DT oh yeah yeah so here what we are trying to do what he is basically does is like uh he goes through a lot of conspiracies around U lot of things which are related to internet and a lot of things uh related to JFK assassinations and things like that a lot of things and uh he a kind of uh you know um demystifies this uh kind of uh conspiracies around this particular incidents so um how do you do that why you are doing that and what do you mean by a conspiracy yeah exactly well uh to to answer the questions in the order that occurred to me um the reason I'm doing what I mean by conspiracy the is uh things that you'll find especially on social media uh but out there um you know people talk about them my My Philosophy is you know Americans just had Thanksgiving recently Christmas is coming up the holidays a lot of people are going to be encountering family members who they might might not normally see and so I always imagine a sort of um archetypal Uncle Tony and Uncle Tony talks about the stuff that's in his head Kem Trails JFK Princess Diana whatever and uh you know at some years ago it was just kind of like Uncle Tony he's cooky but you know around 20 well honestly for most of the 2010s but especially around 2016 in the presidential election in the US we saw this stuff get sort of supersized and really started being used as a tool to change human opinions and behavior on a massive scale and uh and I thought boy this is problematic and then uh the I already had another podcast that I do about business Communications so I was comfortable doing podcasts and then um covid hit and lockdown happened and I was surprised by how many people were already buying into these Preposterous ideas that you know there are microchips inside of the vaccine needles which you know have you ever seen those needles they're pretty small and you know things like but people really or at least claiming to be uh Believers in these ideas and I thought you know I think maybe maybe there must be some podcast or something out there that that look at these things critically and Trace them where do these things come from why do people think this who's promoting it and uh and I didn't really find a lot out there there are a couple uh notable ones stuff they don't want you to know is a is a particularly good podcast where they kind of look at uh these things with a critical eye but most of the stuff in the conspiracy space is pro conspiracy or at least claim or seems to be Joe Rogan being the classic example uh the man never heard of conspiracy theory he didn't entertain and I think this is irresponsible it used to be 10 15 years ago oh well it was just kind of cute but now I find it irresponsible and it angers me and so I started doing this and um you know that was in 2020 I'm still doing it cuz there's still a lot of stuff to talk about out there in the world so the if if you look into the American presidential candidates or the American Presidents there are most of them is got uh um uh I mean assassinated by one reason or another reason for example the Trump also got an assassination attempt recently before his becoming the president and there is a kind of fuss around this particular stuff and especially if we look into the JF Cas case like you know a lot of conspiracies a lot of conspiracies like you know some Russian mafia or uh some some sort of uh you know fidal castros goons has did this particular thing and uh what do you think about that like you know you have expressed a lot of sound opinions on your shows related to this particular particular assassination and what is that very much evident and what do you think about it well know it's funny uh JF the JFK assassination I like to joke and say it's the gateway drug for conspiracy thinking uh right around you have to keep in mind at the time uh the 1950s had occurred and we kind of you have to go back to the 1920s there was something called the first Red Scare where uh American conservative politicians had a meltdown about communism and started imagining all sorts of terrible things and saying all sorts of ridiculous things and the John Burch Society was created and and all this and then in the 1950s you had McCarthyism where people were actually being blackballed and blacklisted and lost their jobs and their ability to make money uh especially in the in the Arts uh simply because you know they knew a guy who espoused semi leftwing or or ideas that McCarthy thought oo communist and you think wow McCarthy must been a real you know real Patriot real anti-communist but the truth of the matter is I think he was just an opportunist I think he was another scam artist in a long line of American scam artists who found a way to make money and G gain power for himself by uh whipping up nonsensical narratives um that had real world impact now at the end of all this period after McCarthy as amends John F Kennedy is running for president against Richard Nixon who was is how's um Vice President Kennedy I mean now we all go Oh Kennedy he was so great oh we love him camelon but a lot of people didn't like Kennedy he's very left-wing he's a Catholic in a country that is decidedly Protestant and um people were worried oh if he becomes president what will happen will the pope rule the country and so on so a lot of people didn't particularly like him and then he won and Nixon lost and one of the reasons that happened is because it was the first televised uh presidential debate and Nixon would not wear makeup because he thought that was fake and so as a result under the Hot Lights Nixon just sweated like uh a criminal being grilled by the police he looked terrible and Kennedy looked great so Kennedy won uh everything's going along you know immediately of course people who were uh didn't like him started spreading ideas oh he's soft on communism whereas if you look at his record he and especially his brother not soft on communism at all um one of the closest times we ever came to nuclear war was the cuan Missile Crisis which was under his watch H because he was like no Soviet Union you're not putting nuclear missiles in Cuba then he gets killed near the end of uh his term and almost immediately ideas started to float out there in you know the pre- internet world of like hm that's weird because we don't actually have a lot of assassinations in America we had uh Lincoln we had uh a couple others there were a couple of assassination attempts but it doesn't actually happen that much um surprisingly for a country that likes guns as much as America does so immediately people started questioning hm who killed him this guy this clown who apparently one of the things he did after shooting the president was he wandered around and then he shot a policeman cuz he panicked and then he went to the movies where he was caught this seems very suspicious and so people started to really uh run with this and before you knew it within a year you started having books being published about how o no some things don't match up and the Magic Bullet and all and so it was this real [Music] um sort of um cultural Zeitgeist on the left of no way this guy Oswald killed him and this was this was mainly a left-wing thing and in fact conspiracy thinking was primarily a left-wing hobby that it was not the the conspiracy stuff on the right was always communism communism communism Godless Communists they're coming to eat your babies but on the left they would come up with these complicated narratives very often starting with Kennedy because the idea is okay if I look at all the quote unquote evidence and I think hm something is weird here this doesn't add up the Waring commission reports not true so that means if that's not true and that's the official report that means they're covering it up and they are the government and if they're covering up the death of a president what else are they covering up and that's how the conspiracy ecosystem that we have today really kind of got started essentially and then after that of course uh there's Jim Garrison and Jim Garrison was the district attorney for New Orleans and he really decided to hop on this this is I'm going to solve the crime of the century he s he said to himself and his people and he was ruthless and he really went after people's whole lives to try and Destroy them and that becomes the basis of the Oliver Stone book uh the Oliver Stone movie excuse me JFK which was very clever in the way that it mixes documentary type style of film making along with the classic tropes and methodologies of um you know normal fiction storytelling and kind of blurs the lines between the two and a lot of people were like yeah that's the real story but not according to a guy of on my podcast three times Fred Litwin who this is all he does he just researches JFK conspiracy theories especially Jim Garrison and he keeps writing he's written three books now about how Garrison was full of crap and he was a a ruthless person power hungry maybe insane and he nonetheless had again very real world um implications he destroyed people's lives with his ridiculous ations that he had no factual basis for at all and yet that by then there were so many people who were like yeah something is fishy here Oliver Stone is obviously one of them that uh you know that's it there are people out there today plenty of people who would not consider themselves conspiracy people who still go well except for JFK like that's that that was totally that was a a hit job and then who killed them as you mentioned could be whoever you hate the government the Communist Castro the Jews the CIA the New World Order aliens I literally there are literally people who say he was killed by a gas propelled gun of alien manufacturer by his driver who was in fact an alien disguised as a human being so you know it's kind of the gift that keeps on giving so there is a conspiracy around the JFK assassination is like uh about aliens as well right like you know but do you really think this Oswald is like you know that this this little guy he he got a real motive behind killing uh somebody like a president do you really feel know well when I first yeah when I was younger um I also thought hm that seems weird how did that bullet end up on the stretcher uh the supposedly the scope on the rifle that he used was improperly mounted and so how is that possible it's also very very hard to get off those three shots with that kind of a a bolt action rifle in that short period of time at a moving Target at a strange angle and this guy wasn't particularly known to be a great Sharpshooter and blah blah blah and so I I inter I thought yeah probably something is hinky with uh with JFK's assassination until you actually look into it when I was first approached by Fred Litwin uh for my 50th episode to come on my podcast I was kind of a a little bit of a at least a semi believer and then I started looking into that I was like well let's talk about the proofs you know the umbrella man and the the shots people heard and all these things and it turns out that if you actually go to the actual records which are all online you can just look them up it's free yeah actually there is a very good case for Lee Harvey oswal is the sole person and here's I mean we could talk about this for 19 hours and never get to the through all the details but yeah there is a very good case that Lee Harvey Oswald is the soul shooter and he did it because he was a little weirdo he wanted to be important he wanted to be famous he was trying to show off to some people he kind of sort of knew but he was he was a loner he was a loner he was abusive to his wife um and um he just he was had constantly been trying to find himself and he thought this is the way I'm going to do it and it worked cuz we all we all know Lee Harvey Oswald and every time now there's some kind of shooting or something like that you'll notice we always use the person's middle name because of Lee Harvey Oswald so that name has stuck in our heads and now we always we don't say Derek D we say Derek John Michael thewi did this because we got to use the person's full name for some reason and that all started with with Oswald and Kennedy so yeah I think I think Oswald is the soul shooter and he did it because he was a little nut and and it's just one of those crazy things that wow the president got killed heck because who no one thought it would happen especially there someone's going to shoot from the fifth floor of The Book Depository you know it seems weird so yeah I I personally I am now uh convinced that it's just Oswald so which episode of your show is basically uh giving a lot of evidence uh regarding this uh where people can go and look into which episode so that's uh it's episode 50 was the first one called the JFK assassination bins uh then there was a followup episode 79 uh about Mr litwin's next book film flam which specifically looks at the JFK movie by Oliver Stone which is about Jim Garris uh and we talk about uh more of the you know supposed proofs and discounting them and then we just recently did episode 123 about his next book a Heritage of nonsense because he just he collects these stories and he sees great stories of people around Garrison and he makes a very good you know case in there for yeah Garrison was a power hungry ruthless jerk and not a nice guy he's not Kevin C everybody's dad like in the movie who's just I just want to find the truth no he is a ruthless power hungry jerk who doesn't care whose lives he ruins and he creates this atmosphere at the DA's office in New Orleans where he starts attracting all these lunatics he has a guy come up to him who says um I'm a psychic and I have commun and a medium and I have communicated with the ghost of Le arvan Oswald who by the way was also my homosexual lover when he was alive and you're just like oh who are these people who come out of the woodwork for this because everybody there's a lot of Fame attached to this and I think these people are excited they're like wow maybe I can get I can become famous and maybe leverage that and turn that into speaking engagements or a book or some kind of profit or maybe for them the fame is enough I don't I don't know because I'm not um I'm not crazy and I'm not uh Power hungry so I don't know why they do it yeah but I also have had a look into the birth chart of uh JFK basically maybe we can do it later I I know that you don't believe all these things and you know you just say that all these stuffs are like you know um yeah there there might be uh some reasons to to people to believe uh it's other way around or um straight way around or whatever the way they feel like it's they have a lot of reasons to that like maybe if um if sure yeah maybe we can do it later I mean uh it will only take it will itself will take a lot of time to analyze the chart so like let's yeah it's a it's a long it's a long thing but but the thing to keep in mind on the on podbean which is where my podcast is uh hosted I always in the episode notes I have a series of links so for people who want to like they hears oh the Magic Bullet it turns out yes there is a reason for what about this guy what about this proof this proof proof so it's easy people can just click and go oh I'm interested in this one click and you can go to the actual online government archives and see what they say and what they say actually makes sense and then you go oh oh okay I thought that was weird it turns out it's not that weird you know I didn't know because guess what I'm not a ballistics expert so why would I know I mean we say this is the thing we do is we all think we're so smart and we think well Common Sense common sense is not common common sense is also very often not sense we think you know we used to think the sun went around the earth so you know that was common sense and uh people who said no no actually I think it's I think it's that's not how it is I mean they got themselves in trouble you know Galileo was arrested and put in a put in house arrest for years uh as a result of his uh his finding so you know uh I understand why people might want to hang on to that but uh there's no need to because the the evidence is out there and it's all free on the internet just go look it up and by look it up I mean don't watch some JFK was killed by the alien Jew Illuminati video on YouTube that's not proof go to the actual archives and the actual records and see what is actually true and then make up your own mind MH uh so when we're uh like uh let's uh I mean uh let's move to the uh conspiracy around uh you know the Princess Diana like you know as we as you have already said there are even there are peop who are believing the Earth is flat that that itself is a conspiracy I have did an episode uh in that uh people are just arguing with me that the uh Earth is flat and they're giving lot so lot of proof that doesn't make any sense according to the physics anyway so what you think about the uh the Princess Diana's case what happened and what what is that whether the state is involved in the behind the assassination or is even is that is an assassination or just an accident what do you think about it well of course so the the theory is is that on August 31st 1997 uh Princess Diana former Princess Diana because she's divorced at that point and her boyfriend Dodie aled uh are in Paris they're out partying uh maybe the driver had had a few drinks because uh possibly he had not known he was not supposed to be the driver that night and so he thought hey it's my night off he had a couple of drinks and then they were like let's get out of here because the Press is just brutal and they're really brutal to the royal family like they're just they're just evil and uh and so they they you know they were driving uh too fast and uh possibly the driver had had a couple of drinks and he was perhaps a little bit impaired and they entered that tunnel uh along the sen in Paris went out of control hit one of the supports and uh and died and uh what a terrible terrible thing almost immediately though people went cuz she's famous that's the thing if this happens to you or me people are immediately would go wow that really that sucks that's terrible wow really but they crashed in the man that's really terrible but because she's famous uh and because she's beloved that a lot of people went hm you know the royal family didn't like her and if you already don't like the royal family you already have this idea in your head that oh they're nefarious and unscrupulous and you know they're evil and they will do anything that they want and and with no repercussions because they're so powerful um but really the rumors the conspiracy theory was started by dod's father Muhammad aled and Muhammad aled almost immediately he went to the press and he said I don't believe it I think that my son and Prince Diana were murdered and then the press press loves this I know people say oh the Press is you know left-wing biased or right-wing biased the fact is the Press is conflict biased they like conflict they like stories that keep people coming back and now it's you know click click click we want those clicks so he's the one who really started it and then the Press just ran with it and they went oh okay and then here's the thing if you've already decided this was an assassination in instead of a terrible accident then you will then look for proof for that that is how be it's not how the scientific Community works and it shouldn't be how law enforcement works so sadly sometimes it is but um you know uh keyboard jockeys and and internet sleuths out there they are very often already start with a preconceived notion Princess Diana was killed why well she was killed because she was an embarrassment except she' been an embarrassment and then that was over the divorce happened so the embar why kill her after the fact as just Revenge that seems silly and weird uh oh well what if and this was Muhammad alayed again who floated that went out there the Press reigned with it what if she was pregnant with Dodd's kid and now even though she's not part of the royal family technically anyway she kind of is and so they did not want a half Egyptian half British child hanging around with possibly some kind of claim in the royal family oh well I mean yeah okay are you know is the royal family racist yeah um do they head A A A system that is structurally racist yes but again this argument doesn't make sense because she's not in the line of secession she's no longer married to Charles so therefore her kid is just her kid there's no reason to do it you know so now the fact is I haven't looked into this I was just since the year is is switching over uh I was doing some research on what are the the most commonly believed conspiracy theories and which ones of those have I not uh examined yet on my podcast Princess Diana was is one of them so I probably am going to do an episode on it sometime time in 2025 so I haven't looked into the details myself but my my gut says no she wasn't assassinated number one because who believe that the royal family is a a bunch of of reptiles from another planet who pretend to be human and eat children but there are many people out there who do believe that like the royal family I should do a whole episode just on the conspiracy theories around them they are amazing they're vampires they're reptilian shape-shifting aliens they are um kazars which is this nonsense fake Jewish uh anti-semitic conspiracy theory they're you know they're behind the Freemasons they're behind this and that to to listen to the people who really hate the royal family and subscribe to those conspiracy theories uh the royal family is is uh Satan that they are literally working for Satan to make earth hell have you did any episode um can I Pur that like you know have you did any episode on The Dan conspiracy at no that that's what you said no not yet not yet I'm I'm I'm I'm working on it but uh so we canbebe in the spring yeah we can expect something which is in the in that particular account very soon right like yeah okay uh so and also like you know like uh if we look into that Obama's conspiracy see uh what people are saying like you know he is not American citizen at all and he there are a lot of things around him what you how do you see that like you know because just because the black black person is becoming the president of America or anything that sort like you know is that what you think I think number one is that America is a deeply deeply structurally racist country it can't help itself and by the time Obama runs for president uh we've already seen conspiracy thinking has gone from being pretty much mainly except for communism scares tactics uh on the right pretty much left wing hobby until the ' 90s and then the 90s we see it start shifting to becoming primarily a right-wing thing and so by the time Obama runs for president in 2008 um there's it's becoming much more of a right-wing thing to just throw out conspiracy theories and and have people go oh yeah and just believe it also Americans especially I think this is true in a lot of competitive things like sports um um it's not enough to just root for your team the other team is also awful they're terrible they you can ascribe anything you want to ascribe to them is true and so by the time Obama is running for president we've already got this structural racism we've got right-wing voters really kind of just believing anything they hear provided it confirms their prejudices and you've got this methodology of let's destroy our enemy any way we can and so all this stuff comes out about Barack Obama uh there were so many in fact that since he was the 44th president for my seventh episode I found 44 conspiracy theories about him I call it 44 for 44 and there are 44 there were more by the way there were over over 50 but I decided to keep it to 44 44 conspiracies about Barack Obama um the most reasonable one is that oh he's not really um an American citizen and so therefore he can't possibly run for president because it's one of the requirements and this was latched on to by Mr Donald Trump who thought H you know I wonder if I can get my brand to become a bit more high-profile uh so I'll just jump on board with this and he was one of the big uh promoters of what was known as the birther movement show us the birth certificate blah blah blah blah blah and Obama was like you know blow me I don't need to show you the certificate and then finally they did and of course what a surprise everybody said that was fake so you know show us the birth certificate here it is no that's fake well I just can't win with you guys can I in the meantime I'm president and uh I'm going to get on with the business of it and so they come up you know there were tons of things about Obama he's a communist he's a Muslim like even if he was so what uh he can control the weather seriously there were actual Evangelical preachers who thought he could control the weather that he utilized um certain kinds of um speaking techniques in order to hypnotize people of course he's a shape-shifting reptilian uh you know on and on and on and on and on it all went and the conspiracy theories were uh astonishing every president of America has weird stuff out there rumors about them but Obama it was it was quite spectacular to see the number of videos and blog posts and so on he's the Antichrist he's this he's that he see he's secretly a Muslim he secretly Jewish he secretly both H he's a communist he's a fascist he's a communist and a fascist well that's not possible cuz they hate each other you know like it didn't matter it didn't matter what you said because all you needed to do was signal I hate this guy and then other people would go I hate him too and it didn't you didn't have to agree on why you hate him you just hate [Music] him so now right now the uh Trump is actually I think in America there is a conspiracy uh Trio like you know Elon Musk and you know the uh the Joe Jo Rogan and you know the Donald Trump like you know the what you think about that like you know they are behind all these conspiracies I mean well here's the thing I mean Donald Trump and and the people around him in 2016 they started uh coming up with this concept of a posttruth society M as one I can't remember who it was off the top of my head but one person literally said in an interview people who live in the what I like to call the uh truth-based World think this but we just say this and I remember when I first read that I went the truth-based what I like to call the truth-based world isn't that the world is there another way to look at it and apparently the Maga people uh say yes it does doesn't matter I don't have I'm not going to believe your stuff I'm going to believe my stuff and say that's true even though it isn't even though it doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter because let's face it whether uh we landed on the moon or not doesn't really affect me so therefore I'm going to enter into a world and a and a social system because I think some of this is about companionship um in and with the other people who say we didn't land on the Moon and so now we're all in this posttruth world we can all have our own kind of little streams the Trump people now have gotten much better at utilizing this and uh we saw I mean you know Putin absolutely interfered in the 2016 election and um there was an interview with somebody from what I don't think it it wasn't fancy bear but it was one of their big hacker Farms troll Farms who they were just laughing they just said cannot believe that for a couple of thousand in Facebook ads we were able to to sway the presidential election like that's just value for money right there you know now why would Putin want to do that because he wants to destabilize Western systems because he's not good at playing that game so he is good at playing his game and so he and I think a lot of these other uh quote unquote strong men um you we've been talking about the posttruth society what does it mean like what is it I mean it's a it's a it's a misnomer it's garbage it doesn't mean anything there's no such thing as a post-truth society because what is not truth if not lies or fantasy so you know by by using even the term posttruth you're you're basically saying fantasy and yet there are plenty of people who seem to be very happy happy to live in that fantasy world and um you know I guess for them something like my podcast I mean I hope I hope I hope I hope it's one of the ideas behind the podcast is that it will maybe knock a couple people back into the light um but really my podcast is for those that have to suffer those people you know Uncle Tony there's no help in Uncle Tony Uncle Tony is absolutely conin that you know Queen Elizabeth II had Diana killed nothing you can do to change his mind it doesn't matter what you say it doesn't matter what proof you have he will always find a way to hang on to his belief so really my podcast is just for people going like what why does why does Tony go on about this here's why here's where it comes from here's what the proof quote unquote is uh and if you want to make counterarguments you want to go down that path here are the counterarguments you can make it won't help but you can try and every once in a while you might get somebody who goes oh well yeah because here's a funny thing I've discovered in the last few years of doing this almost all conspiracy theory believers they don't just believe in one I would love to meet or encounter a conspiracy theorist who just says one thing Kennedy was killed but the CIA end of conversation everything else I don't buy it I don't believe in Bigfoot I don't believe in B triangle I don't believe in Chemtrails but I do think Kennedy was killed by the CIA I would like to talk to that person but I don't think they person exists because if you believe one you tend to believe more and the way that the social media algorithms work is that they kind of have them all grouped together and so they will feed you that content and like I said it's a gateway drug once you think the government people within the government maybe Rogue elements but people within the government killed their own president once you're willing to accept that as a possibility then you know why not Chemtrails why not Bigfoot why not you know magnets cure cancer why not maybe who knows there is one thing which I would agree is that as a program as a software engineer what I believe is that the our thought is actually most of the people's thought is basically programmed by machines because machines is been designed in a such a way that it is kept on feeding the docen to the people so so that is how that is how the algorithms works so basically it will push what you personally like rather than that what can be possibly true so I what I believe is that the uh uh the thought of the people mostly is designed by the uh uh machines itself to a certain extent I mean we're certainly we're certainly getting a lot more uh information from uh machines heading our way uh and my uh a couple of episodes I've done in the past and some I'm doing in the near future are all about cognitive biases how the brain works how memory works we think our memory works this way it doesn't it actually works this way it's completely different than what you think and so our brains don't even work the way we think they do so it's no surprise I don't think it's nefarious I don't think there was a a concerted effort to do this it's just kind of one of those unhappy accidents that by chance in order to make money because that's what we're all about is making money um the way that these companies make money also happens to tweak the way that people think and sort of exploit these uh blind spots in these into biases that we have and help create a more polarized society in which case my people are always right and the other people are always evil and you know there's a there's a psychological study years ago uh that showed that there's something called outgroup homogeny and ingroup um differentiation which is any group that I'm a part of we are all Unique Individuals but they are all the same they you know you live in India this is this has been the conversation in India since partition right they are like this but we are all unique individual people and this is from the Hindu side this is from the Muslim side this is from people in rajastan uh this is a people in you know against people in other parts of the country I mean you know India is is this truly unique interesting very vibrant very differentiated country um and yet these conversations go on in the culture there also get I mean they get ugly sometimes you know people die because of thoughts it's just ridiculous you know I mean I don't I don't like Donald Trump but like somebody was planning to kill him come on man kill really is that what we're doing we're going to kill you know we're going to kill somebody because they their car broke down but there's a rumor going around on the WhatsApp group that there's a way in town you know like come on man so I would love to go to the next one actually like in our list like you know it's about the Paul M's stuff like you know theop are believing that he's already dead before he actually di so what you think about that like you know they they have a lot of reasons like you know he's uh he's not wearing the chaples and he's doing that and this and the Flyers are looking in this particular way and J like that and these then so what you think about it like you know what what exactly happened then well I I mean he's alive so there's that I that's the end of conversation Paul McCartney Is Alive you know he's still he's still here yeah believe me I get it for people who are like the Beatles were so awesome and Paul McCartney solo stuff is so not awesome surely it's a different person we'd all like to think that but um but no it's just one of those things I mean the whole Paul is dead thing actually started uh in early in 1966 um but it uh and the notion was that he died in a car crash on November 9th that year and was immediately replaced with a lookalike because the Beatles were the biggest band in the world but and this is what I love but the rest of Beatles of course they knew this is a fake Paul cuz Paul died but we're all going to go along with it but then we're going to hide Clues on our album cover art like Paul is backwards on the back of Sergeant Peppers he's Barefoot on the cover of Abby Road we're going to leave all these clues for the Discerning public to figure out that actually Paul's fake now my first question is why on God's green earth would the record label allow them to do that they wouldn't there's no way if the record label replaced Paul McCartney with a fake there no we're just going to sneak in a bunch of Clues oh okay go ahead guys there's no way they would allow this right and they you know they they were they they really started taking off in 1969 on college campuses thanks to some music magazines and you know it was 1969 on college campuses a lot of people are you know having a lot of ideas a lot of a lot of hippies were there I mean in the a lot of hippies yeah and it's like yeah man especially if you've already gone into like well you know they killed Kennedy I mean maybe you know these greedy bastards I totally believe it so you know there's that my there are variations on this however the main one is Paul died in 1966 or maybe 1967 uh and it was replaced by a lookalike and a sound alike another theory goes they all died and they've all been replaced by um duplicates except Paul Paul's the original another one goes this is my favorite one they have all died many times because despite the fact that we're still having a hard time printing meat and we Haven cured cancer even back in the 60s we had the technology to reach into parallel universes and so when Paul died they reached into a parallel universe and pulled out another Paul McCartney and put him in our universe to be Paul Paul McCartney and the Beatles but then John died so they did the same thing and then Ringo died and then George died ah but it's a problem because because they're not from our universe they keep aging quickly or dying or whatever so they keep having the record the record label who has this amazing technology the record label keeps reaching into other dimensions and other universes and pulling duplicates and they did this until it was no longer tenable and then the Beatles broke up uh that's that's the best one come on that's funny in fact it's all so funny that it was my very first episode was about what what was the number of the episode in which you've been deal number one my very first one yeah very first episode is Beatles conspiracies it's called Glass Onion and Glass Onion was a song that John lennin wrote to be funny to play with people who believed various conspiracy theories about Paul being dead he wrote the song Glass Onion and put in all this stuff The Walrus was Paul and all these other things in an effort to keep those people busy so he actually he actually leaned into it and decided to run with it but they The Beatles themselves were always like yeah it's weird people are crazy I guess that they believe this cuz fans are weird fan theories are weird I think the John lenon was a very good Entertainer with a lot of ability to think through that made I mean that is the one way of selling the albums and uh music and stuffs like that like do you I mean what you think about like I don't think I don't I don't think I don't think it was a concerted effort on their part to sell more albums because their albums were selling there's having an unspoken rumor flying around um College radio stations and on college campuses with a bunch of people smoking pot uh I don't think they're going to sell that many more albums that would make it worth to do all this I think it's just that anytime if you've seen any interviews or documentaries about all four of those people um they were not only very talented but they were very funny they were very very funny people and so they and this is their sense of humor and so they were like let's just do this for fun ha and so they did because it amused them to do so and they were the biggest fan in the world so they could I mean the John Len work is like you know he if we look into his album I mean it's a kind of mystical experience he was able to bring down to the world where people could experience the same thing so I mean I mean see having an mystical experience is different and the ability to share it with the other people via a kind of medium is um making them also to experience the same is a kind of a great thinking way I mean only a great thinker can do that like you know I mean that that's what I believe I I mean what do I mean what do you have any you know how do you reflect towards this like I mean spiritualism I'm I'm I'm not so much to I don't believe in God and I don't really believe uh I I can't say I believe in any of those things um if nothing else just because of the multiplicity of ideas out there the the notion that no no no of the 7,000 different stories on where we came from and what happens after we die uh this one is the right one probably not uh whatever it is a we'll find out when we die because you know that's what'll happen so if there is something we'll find out and if there isn't then that'll be that and it's really a matter of how you want live your life today and if and if uh living a quote unquote mystical uh life uh helps you become a better person then I don't care have a great time you know if of all the religions out there I think Buddhism is the closest one to uh my heart because it it has a little bit of a scientific basis to it uh at least in the methodology and the Dal Lama himself when when asked once what if science proves proves conclusively MH that life after death isn't true and that reincarnation is not true and he said then Buddhism would have to change and I respect that I'm like there you go right I don't think your Evangelical Christian tele evangelist trying to get money from sick and old people is going to have that attitude he's going to say well then they would be wrong and working for the devil and blah blah blah because he's got a good grift going and he doesn't want to you know stop the gravy train but when the spiritual leader of a whole religious movement says well if we're wrong then we're wrong yeah the because the the the thing is like you know what what exactly is like you know there is a conceptual difference between the god concept of uh the abrahamian religions and the religions which comes from the uh you know from here I mean the India like so because we generally in most of the religions we really don't believe in the gods basically like it's it's not about God it's about Brahman like you can see there are multiple gods in India but it is not exactly God it's like it's it's a Dey it's some sort of other being which you can actually acquire that kind of uh uh thing that kind of ability it it is good to have looking beautiful and it is good to have a lot of money it's good to have a lot of friends there is nothing wrong in that like you know so these are IDE ideals like you know because it's not God like you know somebody who is sitting in the Hell or Heaven and he is blessing you or I mean there is nothing like that is there in India the so the I mean the Evangelistic peoples they are they are believing the God and they trying to propagate the agenda of the god and yeah but the thing is like this is out of the you know um the um I mean the scope of our particular podcast I feel like we should be yeah you know yeah yeah but I do think I do think that uh religions and especially um Buddhism and Hinduism uh but all religions are are potential tools for sort of the the especially like say the Hindu diety deities um they're almost like computer programs you could look at them sort of as an analogy there they are Suites of thoughts and there are practices that are processes that a human being can do a human being who has mind and also lives in a physical body and you can you know you could do them I've done Buddhist breath meditation uh you can breathe in a very certain way and stimulate the mind in such a way that it creates a very similar experience to say taking a hallucinogenic drug um without without it it takes a lot longer you know that's a kind of it's a kind of psychic experience I took I mean I I mean I been to the rainbow gathering which is basically a hippie Festival which is happened in India you know so the thing is like uh I mean in in if you look into the Vic knowledge also there is a lot of um I mean lot of psychadelics is been actually used to uh in order to experience this uh certain level of Consciousness for example the S the the S is one of the drink which has been talking in the FAS that is actually uh it helps people to experience the immortality like how does it feel like Immortal because it's very close to truth like you know so yeah anyway like you know what you think about the 91 conspiracies uh I I I think that they're borderline racist I think they're weird um I you know I I I I it depends on which one like Kennedy 911 is there's a whole Suite of them out there you know pick your enemy MH and uh and and that's those are the ones who did it because honestly America's just surprised they were surprised what a surprise that America could be attacked by commercial uh jet aircraft who knew that that was even a possibility you know that was I have to say it I saw it happen on TV I was in San Francisco and um I mean it's it's not the nicest first thought to have but my first thought was wow that was clever like what an attack holy Jesus and no I don't think anybody expected those buildings to go down but they did and uh and that's that so again you know there's a thing in science that extraordinary proof uh extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof again this idea that Amer so first off the Americans did it the government did it themselves why uh to there was a bunch of gold in one of the buildings that collapsed in building seven see the towers The Two Towers were knocked down as uh smokescreen literally so that they could steal all of this gold from this uh building except that it was their goal to begin with so that doesn't make any sense no no no there was a bunch of information in there that they wanted their hands on okay and so they killed all these people and caused all of this havoc and again remember we're talking about capitalists here capitalists one thing we know about capitalists besides that they like to get money is that they hate to spend money so the a astonishing amount of cleanup to get what's the benefit again but again if you've gone already they killed presidents they killed Diana uh Paul McCartney died quite by chance and yet they covered that up there's nothing these evil bastards won't do so of course they kill 4,000 people uh in these buildings because they're evil and it didn't matter it doesn't matter that what they got out of it was Tiny they don't care because they're ruthless and evil and you're like oh okay then how come they don't do it all the time why why don't they do it all the time and then you get into the false flags and all this stuff well they do they do it all the time it's constant so you get this weird notion in some people's minds and this post-truth mentality that there's a war going on and a war that has been going on for decades maybe centuries a secret War uh against us whoever we are uh by them whoever they are and uh and sadly more often than not the they is Jewish people for for westerners it's almost always Jewish people at its heart Mo many of these Arch conspiracies Trace literally the things that they say back to Old anti-semitic conspiracy theories so you know it's really just the same it's just the same story again and again and again and again with different set dressing just like you know you have Netflix I'm sure you've noticed it's the same plots again and again and again you know my wife and I are always joking oh it's another dead girl in the woods show cuz it starts off with a dead girl in the woods and then it goes from there but it's basically you know we called police shows procedurals because they are they have a format that they follow The Conspiracy Theory world is exactly the same it's this is a format here we go there we are and we just and now we just put in the particulars it's Kennedy who was killed it was Diana it was killed it was AAL LaVine who was killed or died you know that's another one of those Paul McCartney died was replaced so when AAL LaVine died in 2002 or 2003 she was replaced Kanye West uh died in 2016 and he was replaced you know so you get all these crazy fan theories out there um and it's always you replaced the person so you found like tell me how that worked you found someone who looked like them the new version is no they're clones to which my first question is oh have we perfected human cloning have you did um have you have you did any episode on the 911 uh um you know the problem like you know the no uh I have it's such a big one I me I actually had an episode that fell on 9911 in 2024 and I had intended to do an episode about 911 on 911 but we were in the leadup to the election and I really I had a lot of things I wanted to say about what is fascism uh about the uh red Caesar movement and a bunch of these people who Trump uh were was surrounding himself with and um I I kind of had a plan for leading up to the election and so I just didn't get around to doing the proper amount of research on it so to this day I have not yet done a line 11 episode because it's just so big and you know I have a rule my episodes they are never more than 59 minutes and 59 seconds ever I won't I won't do I won't go over an hour so you know to try and distill it down to 45 50 minutes is is a challenge and it's going to take time maybe this year so the uh one more thing is like you know the the next one is like you know the moon landing I believe that people are actually landed in the moon what do you think do you believe that people are never landed on the moon and you know no of course of course we landed on the moon we of course we landed on the moon yeah I that is something which I cannot buy at all like you know the uh so what is that major uh uh thing that the propagators are the papazis are bringing up like you know this is the thing well it it was funny because it see you know what happened in July 20th 1969 and uh they did a poll of people shortly like a month afterwards and already something like 20% of Americans said they found it was such an incredible feat they found it hard to believe um and then you know whatever life went on and and there was Watergate and all this and then in 196 1976 uh a guy wrote a book called we never went to the moon America's 30 billion Swindle which supposedly laid out all these proofs about how you can tell that we didn't go to the moon and that really so it's 1976 it's it's it's uh seven years later that this really starts to kick off and then you know and now and the thing is it's great for conspiracy people or people who want to exploit The Conspirator minded because there are so many niggly little details you can spend all day arguing about them what about the Shadows how come they're like that because that's how it works on the moon because of there's almost no atmosphere what about the flag it's flying in the wind it's not flying in the wind there's no wind it just does that and if you had ever been in a zerg environment or a really Loy environment like that you would know that um like one guy when I did my episode about it he contacted me and said why is the Horizon so close I said because the Moon is smaller you idiot of course it's closer it's a quarter of the size of the Earth of course it's a it's it's closer to the viewer because it's smaller I mean it just doesn't take that much thinking about it and then the other thing that made people start going H was at the same time Stanley Cooper came out with 2001 in Space Odyssey and his special effects guy was Douglas Trumble and Douglas Trumble would go on to become an important part of industrial Light and magic and basically Define those late 70s and 80s um special effects that industrial Light and magic and and Lucas film got very famous for uh for making and so he's really it's his vision his pioneering thing and he and kubric wanted to make it with the scientific knowledge we had at the time as accurate as they could so what a surprise that it turns out that when we see images of the actual Moon it looks a lot like the stuff in that movie which then leads people to saying Stanley kubri filmed the moon landing the fake moon landing and that's why they look the same because they're the same footage but they're not if you look at the footage from the movie and you look at the pictures from the actual footage uh from uh the Apollo program they're not exactly the same there are differences because Trumble and kubric got some of it wrong and then the question is why why why would they do it why would they do it oh well because uh the space program is a lie and NASA is just a Black Ops budget that they claim is for a space program but there is no space program which then feeds into Flat Earth and feeds into a bunch of other things for me the number one proof that or let's say assumption that absolutely these ideas that it was faked are not true is that it is known that in the late 60s there were quite a number of Soviet spies who had infiltrated various levels of the American government and since we were in a space race if the Americans had been unable to land on the moon and had instead faked it almost certainly what of those spies would have found out about it why would the Soviets sit on that information when it's the greatest propaganda victory of the age instead what happened is America landed on the moon and the Soviets abandoned their Moon program with because they were only doing it for propaganda purposes they didn't care about actually getting to the Moon they just wanted to be first they were the first in space they were the first to put up a person they were the first to put up an animal they were the first to orbit the earth they were the first to put up a woman uh so you know they they wanted this was just propaganda for them so this is a great embarrassment for the for the Americans if they couldn't actually get it up right they would have crowed about it but they didn't because we did of course we did you know it's it's just and then you get into you know then you get into people who say well the moon's not really the moon it's a space station it's a hologram and uh and all that and that's why I had to do two episodes I did one about the moon and then I did another one about the moon landing what is the numbers of the episodes the moon one is uh 19 MH the Moon is a Harsh Mistress and uh episode 37 magnificent def uh magnificent desolation the moonlanding was a hoax is about the moonlanding hoax itself and I have to say that is one of the ones that I get the most push back from conspiracy people cuz moonlanding deniers there are a lot of them and they have apparently have a lot of free time on their hands so they do not mind sending me emails telling me why I'm a government sh so as I wrote one guy back I said well I wish I was a government show because then I would have much more money than I do but I don't I'd have a bigger house so what is this Protocols of the Elders of Theon what is this what what Zion okay yeah the so the protocols of the Elders of Zion is a document um supposedly it is a a document of a secret meeting that took place between high ranking Jews whatever that means uh who met here in Prague in the Czech Republic where I live in the Jewish cemetery here uh and they had a little meeting uh where they all sat around and talked about how they were going to take o how they had been trying to take over the world and then their plans to take over the world and uh this got uh written up it first showed up in 1905 in Russia and then it uh started to spread now Russia rapidly anti-semitic country so they already the people who hated the Jews were like see I told you proof why why the Jews haven't bothered to take over yet after all these thousands of years is a mystery they have all this these this evil intent and all this influence and yet for some reason they still haven't taken over the world but anyway let's have a pogram and kill a bunch of Jews and drive them out of the country uh Hitler uh believed it um whole bunch of people believed it it actually once Hitler took over it was taught in schools in Nazi Germany as fact even though it showed up in 1905 but I I don't remember when was cuz I haven't done an episode on it yet but um not long after 10 years maybe after it first started showing up and making the rounds it was debunked as a forgery and they they even know who debunked it uh who wrote it uh and why they wrote it they wrote it to they based it on something earlier and uh they wrote it because the person who wrote it really really really really hated Jews and so they just made this thing up and yet there people today white supremacists and anti-semites today who will point to it and go see that's the proof well it's not proof because it's a fake document and we know that it's it's been proven so you know sorry all you can do to say in an argument against that is yeah but your proof is what's fake oh well yeah okay great argument well done subliminal advice what is it actually subliminal advertising yes this is an idea a lot of people have uh back in the 50s there was an idea that so for example uh a a movie a film strip is 24 frames in one second that's how because all of film is is is pictures it's just photographs but if you take 24 photographs and you basically spread show them to a human being in serial uh format in 1 second 24 in 1 second the eye and the brain that creates the visual system and our visual perceptions perceives it as Mo as motion so in every second of film footage there are 24 pictures uh in video I think it's a little bit less but now of course we're in High defition video so it's a little bit more the frame rate's a little higher but the idea was wow so that means one picture is 124th of a second which they did studies and they showed that that's not perceptible to a human being or is it here's the idea what if in that 20 that sequence of 24 pictures I put in just one frame that says bu popcorn will a person subconsciously see it they won't consciously see it they won't go hey what was that did that say bye popcorn no because it was only up for 124th of a second but maybe subconsciously we will influence the person to buy popcorn and so they did they they they experimented with it uh some Cinemas would throw in cocacola or buy popcorn or something like this to try and make more money um and yet they didn't actually it didn't work because it doesn't work we we now know that study after study after study after study has shown that it doesn't work you can affect people's perceptions by doing things in the their peripheral vision um but you can't really get them to act in a different way through things like this and so the the idea of subliminal advertising died until the 1980s in America when the satanic Panic kicked off and uh everybody started freaking out that America was being taken over by satanists and heavy metal music but they're putting in subliminal messages they're doing back maskking which was a technique The Beetles pioneered where you take something you record it backwards and you insert that as a series of sort of nonsensical sounds in your recording and uh you know oh a boy killed himself and if you listen to the song of one of his favorite bands it says kill yourself backwards and they're putting in all the Satan is Lord and so of course because people were saying this some of those heavy metal groups started to do it because they knew that they would sell more records does it work no it doesn't I've listened to those songs that say uh kill yourself and um I'm still here so when when we talking about the satanic stuff is like you know the maybe they can they could put the prayers also along with the um songs mostly maybe you know I mean pra yeah exactly but here's the thing if it worked then wouldn't the Christians be using it since they're especially the ones who are so big on converting every single person they encounter to their particular brand of protestantism of which there over 500 variations so you know wouldn't you think if we knew it worked wouldn't we be using it wouldn't we be using it all the time if I were a Christian Evangelical preacher with my own TV show trying to get money I would be putting in subliminal things of $1,000 give me $1,000 give me $1,000 right now all the time during my broadcast and if it worked I would have way more money but they don't do this because it doesn't work uh so so the and just to let you know I did I did an episode I haven't done one on sublim advertising yet but I did do an episode about the satanic Panic number number 66 cuz I thought that was funny mhm about the satanic Panic like yeah yeah which was crazy I mean it went on for 12 years it was really nuts almost 12 years it was like yeah yeah yeah maybe more and there's still people today who I mean you know they would burn I just love them they would burn there was a case where I can't remember where he was Indiana a preacher got together with his flock and they what you think about the Rosell uh the thing which has been happened in the Rosell like you know they found one alien space ship like you know we when we talking about the alien and things like that what what is exactly what is your take on that like so 1947 was really the year of the Flying Saucer for the Americans uh it started with a guy in a pilot excuse me in uh Washington State who um said he saw a bunch of flying discs uh near Mount reneer and then um a little bit later in 47 there was um something something fell from the sky uh outside of Roswell New Mexico and the initial uh newspaper report was oh this is some kind of maybe one of these flying saucers we've been hearing about and then the government showed up and said hm yeah no no it's not and uh and then other people said yes but look at this strange material oh my gosh and um so people uh debated it for a little while the government stepped in and said uh no and the thing is the interesting thing is the government was like they really did kind of Strongarm people who uh were Witnesses or who were saying certain things like they went in and they told people seriously you need to stop talking about this just drop it it was a weather balloon that is the end of the conversation shut up and so of course people what would what would you think you would think so we were right it is a UFO and so therefore it must be some kind of a a you're covering it up for some reason probably because you got technology or whatever and then it kind of just died this is the funny thing a lot of these things that we think are so they've been around ever since the very beginning they didn't really be come things until fairly recently it really isn't till 1980 when a book called the Roswell incident comes out and this is written by two people Charles berlitz and Bill Moore now I'm sure you've heard of The berlitz Language School it's all over the world they have a very particular they use something called the direct method for teaching they have a very particular way that they teach and he is he is the founder of that school but in the late 60s he kind of went down the weird route and he wrote a book about the Bermuda Triangle which very few people had even considered uh a real thing and he started pushing no it's real it's real then he started writing stuff about Atlantis then he wrote stuff about this and that and he's one of the the fathers of this 1970s boom in weirdness um conspiracy theories again mainly held by leftwing people at the time bigfoot Bermuda triangle Atlantis no as AR but there areop are showing all sort of the metals which has been found on this particular thing this is this could be from uh some technologies out of uh you know out of the planet Earth and uh this could be something um that could may not be possible with a human being this should be that sort of thing what do you think about all these kind of evidences which they are pushing on the internet and you know well the the evidence is that this is not weather balloon material and so therefore it must be alien here's the truth of it though so the reason I mentioned this is nobody really thought about the government told people shut up uh they did and nobody talked about it until this book comes out in 1980 berlitz is one of the authors Bill Moore who is a massive scammer in the UFO World he's one of the creators of the Majestic 12 uh conspiracy theory and a whole bunch of these other things he's just another one of these uh early UFO scammers uh and then people started talking about it and going back and looking at the uh quote unquote evidence that's around and and so on and so forth finding that sometimes it's hard to find uh official documents and and pictures and things because the government really was trying to hush something up they had I can't remember the name of it now um I was trying to look it up real quick but they had a a program in which they would send not weather balloons but a different kind of balloon very high into the atmosphere high altitude balloons that were listening devices not so you can pick up a conversation but they were listening for uh certain kinds of lowf frequency rumbles or Booms that would tell them if the Soviets were conducting underground nuclear weapons tests and so that was a state secret that was a big secret the Soviets can't know that we have these balloons way up there listening for if they're conducting uh nuclear tests because we ask them and they say they're not but we don't believe them so that that was the secret program that uh the government was covering up and so that's why people were strong armed to the silence and so on but then in 1980 Bill Moore and Charles britz who don't know about this secret program because it hadn't come out yet they hadn't Declassified it um they start to speculate it was aliens well why did they cover it up cuz they recovered uh technology and they recovered bodies or maybe living aliens and from there grows a whole sweet uh industry really of Fantastical stories great stories entertaining stories um none of them true about UFOs secret government uh deals with aliens Eisenhower back in 1957 made a deal with the aliens let abduct human beings in exchange for technology and all this stuff and it all stems from these two guys really so that's that's what happened with Roswell so but uh the thing is like that uh the uh the balloons the weather balloons is being cleared up very fastly from the place what you think about that like you know is it so normal to clear something from the because it wasn't a weather balloon it was one of these listening device balloons it was a different kind of a balloon and they didn't want anyone to know that they had this up there because it was a secret MH so that's why it's not weather balloon material because it's not a weather balloon it's this different sturdier kind of balloon and so no it turns out that the residents of Roswell New Mexico and the sheriff had never seen this material before because they're not they're not cleared for classified military experiments so of course they'd never seen this material before but the reason they made that initial jump to oh it's UFOs is only because just a couple of months earlier the UFO craze started and flying saucers and all the rest and so they just they just took that story that was flying around in the Zeitgeist in the newspapers at the time ran with it and the government kind of didn't mind that people were talking about that go ahead talk about flying saucers because that way you're not really trying to find out what this stuff is which is our secret listening device so that we can spy on the soviet's nuclear program so that's why it's is there any episode which you have did about this uh particular incident I I do mention Roswell briefly uh in uh there's a as we were leading up towards what would become the first of now three Congressional hearings in the United States on uh UFOs or uaps as they're known now uh unidentified aerial phenomena um I uh I did a whole bunch of stuff about UFOs and the first one of those was uh about early ufology uh and that's called signs grudges and blue books because those were the the early programs looking into this stuff and that's episode 23 um roswell's briefly mentioned but it's it's basically all about those early days of UFOs and uh how that really started to become such a thing but again UFOs have been a thing around Roswell really wasn't talked about nobody really even UFO people never really thought about it because it was obscure and nobody had really heard about it until this 1980 book and then suddenly everybody was like I've known about it for years no you haven't you didn't even know about it till this book came out so you know stop so what do what do you think about the UFOs in general is there any conspiracy theories which has been came true about the UFOs and the aliens basically what what is your call on that like well uh it's interesting people used to ask me do you believe you seem to disbelieve all these conspiracy theories are there any that you think might have something to them and I used to say there are two there are two conspiracy theories that I give some serious thought to one is UFOs and two is that we all live in a simulation those are the two that make me go hm yeah you know maybe the simulation one I did a whole episode about it uh the simulation one is a blackbox problem because if it's true we will not be able to get out of the simulation enough to be able to tell if we are or we aren't and so therefore like a religious belief is just something you just go with or don't go with who cares uh if you're trying to find the truth you'll never find the truth while you're alive because you can't when it comes to the UFOs I used to think while there are a lot of scammers a lot of liars a lot of scammers quite a few lunatics uh in the UFO space I always kind of thought there's something to it I don't know what it is I don't believe that people being taken up and having things put into their anal cavities by aliens because honestly how many times would you need to do that before you go yeah it's exactly the same as the last 35 times we did it the guy didn't like it but you know so like how often do we do it but surely there's something because we do have so many stories and and there's it's not great evidence but there's some evidence and it's not helped by the people who throw up a dinner plate or a hubcap from a car in the air take a picture of it and go look a UFO those people aren't helping because there really is something there and the interesting thing of course it's become such a big thing now because the Americans have finally said something for years the French have said absolutely 100% we see stuff in our airspace and we don't know what the hell it is and it moves and behaves like it's a physical object not an illusion of some sort optical illusion like there's a physical thing there it reflects light it um there are radar signals which means radar radio waves are hitting something physical and bouncing back to our receivers so there's something there and they move in a way that is impossible to our knowledge uh according to not just uh our current level of Technology but our our knowledge of the laws of physics and aerodynamics uh the belgians said the same thing the Brazilians have been saying it for decades the Japanese have said it but you know especially for Americans who kind of have a hard time believing any other country but America exists uh it took the Americans to finally say okay they did it they we I did all these episodes and the leadup to the big Congressional hearing they had the Congressional hearing and the people in um the military we discovered two interesting things one there is absolutely something in our airspace and we don't know what it is like for sure UFOs are absolutely real what they are that's the problem nobody knows they don't know are they aliens maybe are they transal beings maybe if that's even a real thing are they another country's technology we really don't think so because we have pretty darn good technology and we're nowhere close to being able to do some of the things that these things can do are they physical sometimes they do seem to be and that's the problem so we we learned that there is something we learned that they do not know what it is and we learned that there has been a concerted effort for de decades to not really try and find out why you would think that we would be very curious about this a couple of reasons one because the different branches of military and Military Intelligence do not like to share information with each other the Navy has their information the Air Force has their information they don't like to share and they don't want to share they don't want to start that process number one number two it turns out that in the US government there are some pretty hardcore Evangelical Christians and these Evangelical Christians absolutely believe in the literal truth of the Bible and they absolutely believe that Satan is a real being who lives in the middle of the Earth or on Saturn or who the hell knows where they think he lives think he's so because of that they tend to cover up a lot of steps which is uh related to the UFOs and uh aliens that's what you're trying to say because they think they know the answer one guy there's this guy uh who was looking into this stuff who you know somebody talked to him in the corridors of the Pentagon where they worked and he said why do you keep poking around in this we both know what they are and this guy said well no that's the whole point that's why I'm trying to get more information because we don't know what they are and the guy goes but we do demons so now we have this so it turns out that yes when Project Blue Book which was a decades long look into uh UFO reports started it was legit and then the new guy who came in to takeover was tasked very specifically with all of these things have to be explained you can't have any unexplained things on your books and then the next guy that came in was a True Believer in the demon hypothesis and um so he had a vested interest in saying no no we can't we can't we can't we can't talk about this we just need to let it go because we're going to start Armageddon we're going to start the final war between good and evil and destroy the Earth which we don't want to do and so therefore we're not going to talk about this and we're not going to look into it and anybody that says they saw a UFO needs to shut the hell up and so that's what happened until now they're starting to destigmatize the the very topic and people are starting to come out and say yes like credible people not Joe Blow on the ground but like Pilots military pilots and people who are trained to be observers are saying yes I I I saw something the problem is we don't know what they are see they're real we just don't know what they are so what do I I do agree to these two points one is like you know the the the the simulation probably we could have we are living in a simulation why because was in religious in the religious text also I mean the ancient text which we are uh in India most of the peoples are believing we say this is Maya this is illusion yeah there is something it does sound very similar right yeah ex yeah exactly it it sounds very similar also the UFOs or the alien creatures when we are talking about this stuff like uh there is a particular possibility that the like let's ask we are H we are only having five senses where we are able to hear we are able to listen we are able to see and stuffs like that let's assume we are having some two more senses and our perception about the world will be entirely different so the the so the thing is like the when we are doing the uh you know sort of uh uh coniguration and sort of uh experiment with the gods and things like that the DI is so so some peoples are feeling this is actually coming out maybe this could be the other form of the life which is coexisting with the life of uh uh us also the you know this is one of the possibility which I strongly believe this is one of the this is one of the but again I would caution use that word belief because you don't have any evidence for this none all we know is that there are things flying around the sky they especially like coming really close to military aircraft they really like hanging around nuclear power plants and nuclear missile silos and that's all we know we don't know if they're crafts they act like they are but we don't know that they are because sometimes they don't act like they are so we don't know if they're Vehicles we don't know if there are living creatures in those Vehicles we don't know what those living creatures are all the different theories out there they're aliens from another planet they're aliens from our own solar system they're us in the future who have come back again time Travel Is it real uh no they live inside the earth maybe the hollow Earth theory though I think we know that that's probably not true and then there's this there's a whole Suite of these transdimensional beings were beings that coexist with us in the universe but we can't perceive but for some reason they can the problem and it's interesting because I've been doing some research on this because I'm very soon going to do another followup now that we've had three Congressional hearings I'm going to do a followup on here's where we are with the UAP thing here's what's happening the problem is is that many of these people who were pushing for what they call disclosure please can we be honest about this can we admit that something's there and can we share information so that we can maybe start figuring out what the heck it is and what the heck is going on a lot of them are not getting what they want and so many of them are starting to go down these different paths it's almost because there's a there's an economic ecosystem in the conspirac spere you need to have a conspiracy theory that you're pushing where you don't make any money no one's going to pay for a book that says I don't know yeah exactly very true like you know maybe UFOs who the hell knows buy my book no one's going to buy that book no one's going to listen to that podcast No One's Gonna watch that movie you know so you got to come up with with a thing and more and more of these people are starting to go down this there was a guy named John Keel who became famous researching The Moth Man uh and he had a whole Theory based on literally nothing uh that uh that there are beings that are because first he said okay it looks like UFO phenomena but not just UFOs UFOs um uh electromagnetic interference the Men in Black which we now know is completely made up uh and a few other things they all seem to it's almost like they're messing with us but they're messing with us in a very lame way like they don't understand our systems our society the way that we even perceive things in the physical world like they're they're really bad simulacra of some kind and uh and they it doesn't make sense but there does he got the sense very much that they were toying with people like him who were who were looking into them so he started to come up with this idea of what he called not extraterrestrials but ultraterrestrials which are in fact beings fully formed beings probably with their own society and their own you know uh civilization that live here kind of sort of next to us and we just don't perceive them and that when they try and interface with us they have to kind of they have to kind of bring it down and they're not very good at it this is this is something which I also believe because some certain rituals which we perform in the uh I mean so-called the spirituality uh these kind of things we really feel the presence of the extra being it's not just the experience of a single person it is the experience of a collective people like you know it's not just maybe some people are believing it's as God some people are believing it as some sort sort of deities and but if if some people are looking into that with a radical mindset in order to you know in order to uh get the uh you know the secrets to be unveiled in whatever is existing this is something which I have seen and I have I mean some ancient uh uh test and Scrolls and there are methods to experience these kind of uh deities or the another dimension being maybe in modern language maybe we could say because when they are writing all this stuff they may not be knowing what this is exactly because they don't have all these kind of modern Technologies and things like that see this is something which I experience I mean I believe basically so have you have you ever thought of doing a podcast on you know the conspiracies which I believe have I thought of doing conspiracy an episode of conspiracy Clearing House about conspiracies that you specifically believe no because I don't know what those are which like which ones which ones do you believe I mean no I mean about you I'm talking about you did me oh well I understand I was like no I don't know you have to tell me which ones you believe and I'll tell you yes or no um the ones I believe I've already done the simulation uh prop proposal and I've done many of them on UFOs and I'm going to do another one on that uh soonish especially looking at the the transdimensional being uh angle of things um though I don't buy because again I'm not a Christian I'm not a religious person and so uh I understand for example like you say hey I've experienced it it does feel like there's something else I can't see it but there is something else physically present here and other people around me do having said that there are studies and experiments that have been done that show it's actually not that hard to induce that um perception or that intuition in people especially in groups of people who are there for a focused particular reason especially if they already have a a pre-existing belief in these things it's actually not hard to do at all um but even maybe here's the thing when it comes to the train dimensional being thing maybe maybe my problem is that so many of these UFO experts experts out there uh who are talking about this and who have started out of nowhere it was aliens aliens aliens aliens and now they have shifted very quickly when they're not getting enough play enough attention to transdimensional beings who are evil they're evil they eat H one of them it's hysterical they eat human Souls while we dream oh just stop you what are you talking about you know you don't have any evidence we don't even know that there are other dimensions we don't know that there are things outside of our because here's the thing you and I can't perceive the infrared have tons of machines that can and they're not picking up on this stuff they're not picking up on any of this stuff so then we get into well okay but there's like a universe right next to our well now been trying to do for decades so again if we want to take these things as articles of faith I believe that there are alternate variations of our universe next to us and I believe so that's one amazing thing that if it were proven would change everything and and completely trans form human consciousness and Society that's one thing next that those are inhabited by other beings or versions of ourselves that's number two amazing thing to learn about even more changes number three it's possible to move between one and another that's another that's three amazing things and at this point you've already lost me because those are three amazing things none of which we have any evidence evidence for except maybe and then when we go we go through that we go through all these different things and we finally come to they are evil and they are eating our souls Soul who who proved the existence of the Soul when did that happen how did I not catch that news headline I didn't know that we'd proven the existence of the Soul so that's another problem Souls they're eating our souls which may or may not exist and they're eating them whatever that means when we dream as they pass into our universe through our mind like what are you what are you talking about like suddenly when you hear this kind of stuff some of the stories religions come up with sound positively reasonable compared to some of the mythologies that the UFO people are pushing out there because the religions at least do have a series of practices that allow people to commune with each other certainly commune with certain thought ideas and gestalts certainly with something else maybe mhh it I know it feels like it so maybe maybe not but maybe and if not how is it that you know you and all these other people all have the exact same experience does that mean that that experience has an external reality which would be amazing to learn or does it mean that that's purely subjective and internal but one strong person personality somehow non-physically or without physical touch communicated that to all the other people in the group and that would be amazing to learn as well you know what I mean either one of those would be absolutely amazing and I would welcome any Research into both of those possibilities or any other possibilities but it gets confused when we get into this war of Good and Evil and interdimensional dream Soul eaing dreamer monsters that fly around in spaceships this doesn't help anything these questions the questions I think that you're interested in looking at uh are interesting questions and they're worthwhile questions but when they get confused with all of this nonsense with these ridiculous Horror Story narratives nobody benefits except for the people who are pushing those narratives you know and then and then my next question is how much do they Ben how much does Bill Mo make pushing the Majestic 12 narrative he took the time to make fake documents fake documents that looked like they were multiple generation copies using ditto machines at the time so he took I mean hours and hours and hours to write them to make them put a coffee you know ring on them to make them look authentic hours of his time so he could slip them through the mail slot at his friend's house and then what write a book which sold what 2,000 copies can I can I can I Pur you there like you know what what is your uh you know what what do you think about the chem trials basically which we can see on the Skype and the like I mean uh what yeah that's the other group of people who love to write me hate mail is the chem trilers yeah they're called contrails they're a physical phenomenon they've been around since the 1940s we have pictures of them from World War II nothing serious yeah it's it's very common like you know so what what could be the reason behind this particular conspiracy you know I know exactly what it is it starts in 1999 with a radio show I don't know if you ever heard of this called Coast to Coast AM Coast to Coast AM was an AM uh as opposed to FM radio show uh in the United States run by a guy named Art Bell Art Bell was a very very very nice man I actually don't know what his true motivations were but I used to listen to it and um on his show who said the most outlandish things my shadow came alive and tried to strangle me really my shadow tried to strangle me one day and he doesn't say that sounds like nonsense he just goes wow that's really amazing he believed everybody if they came on his show he believed them and so possibly accidentally he ended up creating or encouraging the creation of this modern conspiracy landscape that we have today so in 1999 uh a guy came on there who said hey back in 1996 the Air Force had uh commissioned a study about weather modification could we change the weather because we knew we knew back in the 50s we were screwing up the climate have you have you mentioned have you have you have you studied this in any of your episode where people could go and refer to Chemtrails yes yes yes episode 73 my chemtrail romance it's all about Chemtrails and and it but it starts with Art Bell in a 1999 episode of his radio show and it took off from there and at that time now the internet existed and so it spread very quickly MH and uh the there is another theory like you know we have spoken about one conspiracy which you also is been believing that the I mean believing in one conspiracy can lead to another believe in another conspiracy which you been already been said like you know the thing is like this world can be illusion and uh like if if we look into that sense can't be a reptile is actually ruling us it's the craziest idea and it comes from there's a very specific source for this is what's known as a point zero the point zero for this is a guy named David Ike David Ike was a rather well-regarded British uh sports caster he was on TV all the time he was uh someone that people trusted he was well spoken he I guess good-look for the for the age and then something happened to David Ike and nobody really knows what happened to him but he he he went a little weird and he started calling himself son of the godhead because he heard a voice tell him when he was in Peru supposedly at some Stone Circle that he was basically uh the Messiah and he was here to save Humanity from what well from Evil shape-shifting reptiles that's quite a thing that sounds like a psychotic break to me but David Ike went on TV and he said this and it's a rather famous clip and in my episode about uh The Reptilian conspiracy I have a a link to that clip uh where the because the British host British TV is a lot different than say americ American television they're they're pretty brutal and um David Ike was terribly terribly embarrassed and so he then went they're they're making fun of me as they should have and so then he started writing these books and the the conspiracy got bigger and crazier and Wilder and then he came upon a very interesting idea like I was saying before how much money are these people make in selling a, copies of their book and getting paid what $100 to show up at a UFO conference like I don't even I actually don't understand the motivation of people like Bill Moore who just make things up and then and then spend all of their time and energy spreading them to what end you're not getting rich off of it we know this but David Ike has gotten Rich David Ike gives five six seven8 hour talks to stadiums full of people entry ticket thousands of dollars and he just goes up there and says whatever that hell crazy stuff is in his head and it's gotten more and more complicated over the years and now everything is tied into it pyramids and you know history is a lie medicine is a lie The World Is A Lie uh but the core of it all is that there are these reptiles who they don't change their shape they interfere with human perceptual systems to make them appear to us as human but to others of Their Own Kind who have different perceptual systems that clearly in a room I is a human see a room full of humans but the reptile looks around and sees I'm a reptile that guy's a reptile that woman's a reptile hi how you doing how's it going what are the reptiles want well you see they're what we might call evil they eat human suffering when human beings experience pain and fear it causes chemical changes in their blood none of which is true by the way uh if so the Nazis would have discovered it and uh and that chemical is like uh it's like a really really nice Brandy to these guys and they they don't need it to live but they really like it and so they are trying to enslave us so that they can drink our blood where do they come from well they come from Orion from a star in the constellation of Orion or they come from a transdimensional rift in SpaceTime near a star in Orion but anyway somewhere around Orion probably though may be some place have you have you spoken have you spoken about the reptiles in any of your episode where people could go yes so the The Reptilian conspiracy was the original intention of the podcast and it took me 82 episodes to get around to it because it was so big and so complicated and so funny and as time went on it got more and more complicated as I was researching it and I finally just went ah I have to I have to stop here and so episode 82 is all about uh The Reptilian conspiracy and it is my number one most listened to episode to this day this is the one that people like and again you think okay big deal except that there are two problems uh with The Reptilian conspiracy not to mention that there are suckers out there who are willing to pay $2,000 to hear David Ike Ramble On for eight hours straight in a in a football stadium but that's their problem the problem is number one that uh all of this and David Ike himself has of course started going down this route as well all of this is simply a rebranding of anti-jewish conspiracy theories that have been around for ages especially the blood liel and the blood liel is that Jews need the blood of Christian children like the blood of Christian children is different than other children's Blood come on uh they drink isn't and so on the one hand what he's doing is he's really just pushing anti-jewish conspiracy theories mhh on the other hand there are people out there who believe it so much there's a terrible terrible terrible story and this is not the only one but this is the one that comes to mind of a man I think he was a he a bit of a bomb he went from job to job got divorced had kids uh was a surf instructor in Southern California got his kids uh listened to David Ike paid attention subscribed bought the books uh subscribed to the video feeds all of which are quite expensive um and he's not making a lot of money anyway he falls for the reptilian conspiracy theory completely and at this point The Reptilian conspiracy theory starts to bleed into pizzagate which then bleeds into qanon uh which is the the arch conspiracy theory of our time and uh which Maga has taken on board so he long story short he uh gets his kids for his weekend for visitation but he becomes convinced that his wife the reason she left him is because she herself is a reptilian which means that his children are part reptilian and somewhere in there he gets it in his brain that they look human now but when they get older they will become evil blood sucking reptilians so he took his children in his car down to Mexico MH uh great for the kids hey a road trip with Dad how fun he checked into a motel and then he shot them both in the chest with a spear gun that is the problem with these kinds of conspiracy theories he killed his children because he thought they would become reptiles and David Ike I'm sorry is a little bit responsible in know why I do this podcast because it it it just infuriates me you know yeah that's uh so the Illuminati thing most of theop are believing I there are I also believe there are sort of secret societies which might be working and uh you know and the thing uh along with the Illumina is uh the uh talk about the Denver Airport because that they are using it as the headquarters of the uh you know what the things which they are doing yeah so what what what do you think about that you know so yeah so I did I did an episode on the Illuminati the Illuminati was started by a little weasel named Adam viop uh in 1776 in Bavaria he basically he he wanted to join the Freemasons he had an idea in his head about what a secret society should be like and there were tons of little secret soet societies very often they were little clubs of uh well-connected people and if you could join that you know if you're a I don't know a baker and um you'll never get access to high high ranking people in society especially in the 16 17 1800s right you're never going to get to rub shoulders with those people but if you're a Freemason you can and so Freemasonry started becoming this kind of Gentleman's Club but with a little bit more um access for people lower classes so people wanted to become Masons So Adam visce op had it in his head that this is oo secret society and this is he really liked the Pomp and Circumstance the pageantry of it oh boy we're going to have secret handshakes secret signals and costumes and secret words and codes it's going to be awesome and when he got there he found that it's really just a bunch of men hanging around making business deals he didn't think it was secret enough secret society enough so he said I'm going to create my own and it was called the Illuminati now the interesting thing is he started recruiting out of free free uh Masonic lodges he started recruiting Freemasons other people who also maybe were like ah this isn't nearly as cool as I thought it was going to be join us we're going to actually change things we have a whole philosophy that he wrote and if you don't follow 100% the philosophy you're out because he's the boss damn it finally he gets to be the big man and he starts his little group and they do in fact infiltrate various governments around Europe quite high up sometimes now word gets this goes on for a couple of years uh the rulers figure out hey this's this group of people who seem to think that they're going to like are they gonna stage a a revolution I don't want that so off you out you go sorry you guys you can't you can't organize your little groups here anymore and finally the ruler Bavaria just Outlaws them and cracks down with the police at that point the Illuminati goes and everybody leaves and a lot of people were already leaving because they didn't like Vice op because he was a a dick he was a completely dictatorial little small minded person uh obsessed spoken ridiculously over complicated sentences and just he was was boring he was bad company and he was a little little dictator and really nobody liked him so they didn't want to be part of his Club then when it turned out the club is now illegal and banned we really don't want to be a part of it and that's until the French Revolution and the French Revolution happens and all these rich people around Europe are going how did this happen cuz poor people are animals they're not human they're animals they're stupid there's no way they could have possibly organized this they must have had help from a secret group hey what some years ago wasn't that the group The Illuminati I bet it was them I bet they didn't disband I bet they're in hiding so now the Illuminati comes back as an idea not as an organization but as an idea and then that goes away until the 1860s and in the 1860s all the Europe is mainly Empires dominating whole ethnic groups and they start to they have this kind of amazing time where they start to demand hey like the Czech say hey we want the Czech language to be spoken in our country not just German and we want Czech writers and Czech Symphonies and all this and the hungarians do this and the Poes do this and the yugoslavs do this the serbs do it everybody starts doing it and the powers that rule remembering what happened with the French Revolution say uhuh and they really clamped down hard but a few a few inroads were made and and there was something of a a small cultural Renaissance for these these um sort of dominated cultures but during this time again the thought came into the rich people's heads where is this coming from and it was these two women I think they were British one was British one was British French who started going on and on and on about it's the Illuminati and so now the Illuminati comes back as a thing to scare rich people with and which is funny because it's not like they were a working class this is in protoc communism here Vice op had a very very stratified view of what Society should look like and he very much thought um there should be a small Elite ruling class and everybody else should just shut up and do what they're told so he's basically like the kings and queens in Europe at the time anyway uh but anyway it's a scare story it's like a boogeyman for rich people and so the rumor that the Illuminati continues to exist perpetuates through the 19th century and into the 20th century but the truth is is that there is no Illuminati they they existed for like four years and then they disappeared and everything else has been rumor uh created by rich people to scare other rich people because they don't understand what happens when sometimes poor people get together and um organize and this is one of the reasons why communism freaked the crap out of them because this is what they were saying the Illuminati were doing right and so a lot of people were like well maybe communism is an Illuminati thing but none of it's true the Illuminati is not real though there are hundreds of websites in thisen yeah in this uh scenario where do the Denver a airport fit into so the Denver Airport this is this is one of my favorite ones there are a couple of episodes I have that were so much fun to research uh uh that uh I just I just had a great time this is one of them this is the 10th episode uh and so the idea is is Denver International Airport is a big airport it's in Denver uh way up in the Rocky Mountains and there's a lot lot of really weird art at the airport that's that's the story we could stop there if you wanted to but the Arts just odd uh interesting odd stuff the most striking thing is outside of the airport there is a giant blue horse rearing up on its back legs with red eyes and everybody calls it blucifer blue Lucifer as a joke and it's from an old old old Native American story from way way back uh about a horse in the area that led a bunch of his other horses to freedom and and all this and so um there's this really weird piece of art that looks kind of like a blue red-eyed satanic horse if you're a person who believes in Satan and the artist who was making it died while making it because it fell on him pinned his leg and he bled out and died or if you believe the conspiracy theories he was a blood sacrifice to consecrated to the devil that's just one piece of art out of hundreds at the airport and they have some very odd art there's no discussion about it but people have decided that that certain symbols they here and there and so on all of these things are proof that the Denver International Airport was built by the New World Order which is a a a new name for the Illuminati or the Masons or the communist or the Jews or whoever you particularly hate who you think is trying to take over the whole world they built this airport now why would they build an airport oh but here's the thing they built the airport it's a secret that they built airport they built it for a number of of evil evil reasons and then we'll talk about those but they then like the Beatles hid all these clues in all this weird art and and stuff around the airport telling people who are clever enough to figure it out that in fact this airport was built by the evil New World Order why would they do that do you know that's the worst way to keep a secret I mean why would you do it why would you if you if you were a secret organization bent on ruling the world and you build this airport for your particular reasons why would you then hide Clues as to who built it all over the airport it doesn't make any sense having said that the art is odd uh there's a lot of weird art but what's the airport for well underneath the airport there are these tunnels ooh what are the tunnels for what the tunnels are really for is a very complicated automated baggage handling system that was being experimented uh with at Denver International Airport however it's too complicated and it kept breaking and so they stopped using it which is a waste of money yes absolutely but ah now and this is the great thing about these conspiracy theories is they're so vague and conspiracy people what they constitute is prove uh they don't need much they just need a little hint and then they they run with it and help co-create the narrative uh the tunnels are down there for possibly rounding up a whole bunch of uh citizens and then killing them because they want to De part of the New World Order Grand conspiracy is that we have to reduce the population of the Earth you see there are too many people MH for us to really take over and become the dictators of Earth so we have to kill like half the people in order to do that for some reason I guess three billion people are easier to control than 8 billion I guess so we're going to round them up into places like this and we're going to gas them and we're going to kill them and then that'll be great that's that's the idea or or when they unleash the plague all over the world that will accomplish this goal of killing so much of humanity so that they can rule them that's where they will hide protected or M this tunnel system actually goes much further off all throughout the mountains connecting to underground alien bases where they have made deals with the reptilians and other Ali and then when they kill off most of the human population these few humans will rule over the living humans who are left with the aliens and so that we'll have a new dictatorship part human part alien maybe reptilian and and then it goes on from there those are just some of the conspiracy theories the these things all of this stuff yeah uh these things you've been uh uh discussed in some of your episodes right like you know episode number what was the episode number 10 10 oh in that almost most everything is if people are listening to that they can go and listen to that particular uh episode it's all there it's all there I had a video but I I got rid of my YouTube channel because I hate it but so but look up look up some pictures of the art because it's amazing it's amazing okay so the the one thing the the one of the conspiracy which I cannot even I mean I cannot even digest is like you know birds are in real I mean do you I mean ah uh observe mhm I'm even wearing my birds aren't real t-shirt oh so you I love birds aren't real wow here's the thing so Birds aren't real uh started off in January 2017 in Memphis Tennessee a uh a student I think he was a history student named Peter Mondo was there as part of the uh 2017 women Memphis women's March for you know Reproductive Rights and can we finally get paid the same as men and things like this is just this is literally the same month that Donald Trump uh was swor in as president so a lot of people were like hey this is this is a guy who's I mean he's been accused of rape and now he's president what's going to happen for women's rights in this country so he's a young liberal guy he went and over there here's his group but over there is a group group of prot trump anti-protesters holding up all kinds of science with really outlandish conspiracy theories even on them so as a joke he walked over grabbed a blank sign and wrote Birds aren't real and stood with the pro trumpers and held it up well there were there were news news people there and they saw this and they were like oh does someone actually think Birds aren't real that's hysterical how stupid are these Trump people and so it took off it got talked about on the news videos of it went viral on uh YouTube it was just a joke and then after this sometimes yeah sometimes the jokes can be a conspiracy as well right like you know yeah yeah so he decided to lean into it so he created Birds aren't real and he created a whole story about all birds have you covered this thing in any of your episode have you spoken about this in any yeah it's part of um an episode yeah uh episode 9 just before Denver airport is called now you you see it now you don't Finland doesn't ex the country of Finland does not exist so that's talked about in there there's another conspiracy theory that says Australia doesn't exist that's also talked about in there and uh aren't real is talked about in there because all of these started off as jokes and then somewhere along the way somebody started believing them now I don't believe there's anybody who believes Birds aren't real is real everybody who like me I love it I have a t-shirt I I will probably buy more things from Birds aren't real because I think it's so funny but uh and the story he's written is wonderful the website is fantastic it's so complicated it looks just like a real conspiracy website because he's he's doing something called culture jamming he's trolling the conspiracy people he's making something that looks exactly like a real conspiracy theory except that it's so clearly Preposterous except that so is reptilians so is know AAL LaVine was replaced by a body double or a clone so is everything we've talked about in here is ridiculous more ridiculous than Birds aren't not really so he just kind of runs with it and and uh and it's become this whole thing to the point where when somebody says in a news article or an interview yeah I Love Burns AR wheel it's such a great satire of conspiracy theories he gets angry and says that person is working for you know Big Bird the because the whole idea is you you I don't know if you know what it is all birds were killed by the US government yeah yeah the I yeah the the the cons war against birds and they were replaced with surveillance drones so so every time you see a bird in North America it's a camera yeah so the they're all watching you yeah the the thing is like you know the the one more thing is like the internet might be dead like you know I do believe like almost 10 to 20 percentage of the internet is been actually uh written by uh boards because I'm a software engineer I can actually uh simulate a lot of STS for example like uh let's say like uh yeah in the right now there is AI is been taking over a lot of things like you know they can also write uh uh stuffs and they can stimulate the stuffs and maybe boards are even talking about I mean I mean I found this I mean internet is not dead but at least 10 to 20% of that is been actually WR by Boards this is what I believe it's actually estimated now it's uh it's around half almost somewhere around half of all internet traffic is automated whether that's content creation or simply pushing out content uh fiveg we talked about 5G previously uh 5G is going to in help us with the internet of things which is objects talking to other objects the inter using the internet so your refrigerator is going to talk to you know the store which is going to talk to a delivery service no human is involved in this chain so right now yes it's true that uh about half of uh web traffic is um is not human read or human generated but the dead internet Theory again started off as a joke much like birds aren't real or that Finland isn't real and so on right the idea was someone on I think it was on the Agora Road Forum there was a sub Forum called Macintosh Cafe and somebody said Bas see somebody went to gather a bunch of people complaining hey I keep getting not just one junk email but lots of junk emails that are almost worded exactly the same or I see a post on Facebook and then later I see another post that is almost exactly the same post word for word what's going on here so this guy on there puts as a joke the internet died in 2016 or 2017 almost no humans actually use it and it's all Bots and AIS and they created smart AIS way back before they told us because that's only come up in the last two years so they lied they've been lying about that that's you've already got a great conspiracy theory because they are lying uh and all of this and then people started to come up with proofs oh yeah DARPA had this project called LIF log there's this thing called total information awareness um operation Mocking Bird and project Mocking Bird both of which were real things uh about how we can INF how could uh you know the CIA for example the FBI infiltrate uh media there's uh Google has a thing called The Selfish Ledger which is training its um nent AIS to create personas for each individual person and so on and so forth but the idea behind the dead internet theory is this already happened a long time ago and so you as a person think you're interacting with other people but you're not you're interacting with Bots and AIS now of course the great lie here is that everybody who believes the dead internet theory is a human being using the internet which disproves the dead internet the I mean that one was also a lot of fun to research I mean I half of uh I mean I believe I don't believe it's I don't buy it completely but I I do agree at least 50% of the internet I mean as you said like you know it's actually it is yeah yeah but you're not but that that that that content's not coming to you as an email or coming to you as a social media post that's that's all stuff that we never interact with have have you spoken about this in any episode where people could find it out yeah episode 55 the dead internet Theory which is my third most listened to episode M uh do as a conclusion where people can find you how do they can uh it's hosted on podbean but it is literally anywhere that uh podcasts are found it's on Apple it's on yeah generally do you have a you you have a website where people can go and listen to No okay yeah they can go to P like I said they can go to podbean they can go wherever they listen to podcasts M this podcast is there the name whatever they use if you use dieser it's on dieser it's called conspiracy Clearing House can you say it can you can you say it this very mysterious way conspiracy Clearing House like conspiracy Clearing House yeah that's that's that's the kind stuff that's the one yes and uh and the logo is uh is my wife made it it's a little guy wearing a hat little eyeballs kind of looking like this uh conspiracy clearing uh every two weeks on a Wednesday every other Wednesday an episode drops we are at as of this recording we're at episode 125 and I'm in the process of mapping out the next year b six months at least which is you know it's a lot of it's a lot of episodes so you know anybody wants to get in touch with me via social media uh they can or they can send an email to conspiracy. Clearinghouse gmail.com I don't want to hear why you think Chemtrails are real because they're not so shut up I'm just going to block you um but if you have requests for certain topics go ahead and send them to me and um yeah maybe I will do an episode about it and maybe I won't thank you for joining me today Yeah by thank you I know it's been a long conversation